After another another amazing Eden+Fractal game, we explore Perry's vision for how the community can organize streams of media content with sites like dNews.zone 📺
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Date: April 19th, 2023
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Eden fractal 46 April 19
0:09 Dan opens meeting , recaps conversation prior to recording. Shares presentation. Recaps previous meeting, shout out to Lennie on re apps. Participation agreement, only one discussion topic proposed by a Perry, discussing Eden fractal decentralized media. D news, Discussion in Eden fractal chat.
4:37 Mo put out an RFP requesting from members for last 2 years of Eden content Eden fund summary proposal. Trying to put focus on all Eden’s accomplishments, asking people interested to reach out. Looking for people that may have skills to apply for this to summarize last two years accomplishments. Goal to make Eden more efficient. Also thought this might be good for Eden fractal as they are accustomed to collaborating.
7:35 Dan thanks Mo , also thanks for thinking of Eden fractal, reads out chat. Patrick comments in chat Eden fractal is the catalyst for collaboration, Patrick comments on upcoming interviews for chief delegates
9:05 Dan starts breakout room
13:27 Marco checking out SOV, different way to approach gaming. EVM , here to listening in on EOS delegates, interested in alien world mining having difficulty.
Goes back a d fifth with Lisa, explaining what he should do
17:43 Lisa excited to welcome new players, connect all the custodians. Welcomed 100+ people to plant eyeke. Putting list of people have gotten welcome declarations, for planet Eyeke website. If you have any communities or influencers you want to connect she will put it in if they let her. Brainstorming about resources. Glad to be able to connect
20:34 Noam , Lisa put him in touch with Lucas who is in support, talking about simple games to maybe add to alien world at some point. Trying to focus on how to make games as simple as possible and still generate interest. Gives details on nfts to identify skills or strength ,generate these from a game. Still figuring it out
23:52 Tadas continuing to work on firmament, working on integration, soon enough hope to start working on front end. Everything in beginning will work locally, eventually people can jointly create. Met with Dan, Vlad and Rosmari about exciting opportunities
25:34 Dan shares presentation published video EF, working on show notes. New brand he’s working on, but will wait till next week to share details. working with Lisa and others on alien worlds. Curated alien worlds page, shared with alien worlds community. Working on a proposal for really exciting immersive games for alien world, have quite few calls about that. Also excited about upland, planning to reach out to them. Thinking about going to their conference. Finalizing plans to go to consensus. Curating an article about Arc, Jordan Petersen. Also learning about meta crisis, planning to reach out. X Prize, planning to reach out for opportunities.what we’re doing at Eden fractal could be great for the world, spoke with
Brendon lovejoy , working on proposals from ENF. Attended Aquadac. Town hall, revised Perry’s proposal, cignals coming soon
37:53 Fractal gram posted by Tadas, voting. level 6-Dan, level 5- Tadas, level 4- Lisa, level 3-Noam,level -2 Marco. Delegate vote Dan
51:24 Dan is curious about alien world and other gaming communities using fractal gram and fractal tools if there is a way to share cool gifs, cool images. Thinks there’s potential to see cool pictures, ask for thoughts, synergies Tadas could plug it in. Potential explorations.
54:43 Dan comments Vlad isn’t here today and window isn’t appearing for everyone to submit results , Dan checks to see if he can fix. Noam chimes in to expand the window to lengthen the submit time.
1:03:56 Dan fixed QR code, returns to main room
1:05 52 Dan explains issue with submit consensus, election access was published early and Dan reset action. Issue now resolved.
1:07:46 Jorge asks Pascal to post link on chat, about Eos EVM
1:08:28 Dan shares screen of cagendas, Perry’s proposed topic to discuss Eden fractal decentralized media governance. Shares Perry’s topic proposal. Shares telegram chat for Perry’s topic.
1:11:35 Perry explains his topic proposal, there’s a few elements, one is DNews and Eden fractal would assume editorial control. Why can’t Eden fractal publish a list of sources. That’s one aspect. Second element is to do same thing producing content regarding our own governance. To keep all Eden fractal information together, it could publish for by wire. Trying to create an open field. Includes data of mindmap
Third item he’d like to introduce is the idea we don’t need a coin. Concern about regulators, rankings,
1:18:39 Dan jumps in with several questions, reminds Perry of time , shares Perry’s screen shot
1:19:49 Perry continues with his proposal presentation. Asks how easy it is to follow multiple communities, trying to create a model for others to follow.
1:23:13 Tadas and Perry conversation , asks questions to Perry on the funds, how is it different than we’re already doing. We have a smart contract which distributes funds according to fractal consensus.
Perry asks Tadas how it’s decided, where can he verify how much he’s getting.
Tadas responds you can use any view from blockchain , everything is on chain. You can verify Transfer actions are on chain. Dan chimes in and shares transaction screen. Dan chimes in to explain how distribution works. Perry comments about things going in a black hole. Tadas explains if you look into smart contract yo7 will be able to understand the smart contract determines the amount.
1:27:44 Dan adds it is transparent in how it works, it works according Fibonacci , gives details on respect depends on how many rooms participate.
1:29:20 Perry asks if it’s fair to say we accept liability of a token. Trying to remove roadblocks to getting a lot of money into this group. Let our transparency become a value
1:31:04 Noam thinks what Perry says is relevant. We’re trying to be pioneers, we need transparency that Perry is talking about so we can export to other communities
1:32:29 Pascal echoes what Noam said, and says he doesn’t understand what Perry is trying to do. There is value we are building here, fractal governance is valuable. Token is a means of value. Eden respect is not transferral but has individual value. Eden token can have , he personally believes we should come to consensus and make Eden a tradable token. Advocates for Eden token to be tradable.
1:35:16 Patrick comments aligned with thought with Noam and Pascal. Repeats what we are doing at Eden fractal, always testing the process, we are giving respect. Delegate responsibility. Personally prefers not see token tradable, prefers proof of respect not yet ready for tradable token.
About D news proposal, does not see Eden fractal as its platform. explains what each in community are doing, alignment, values. Eden fractal is a catalyst. Stating why we are here. Does not think the point for Eden fractal is to become new decentralized asset if news.
1:42:25 Dan responds to Perry recommends tool article that explains Eden fractal process. Encourages everyone to read, doing as best as possible to complete it and encourages everyone to help and support to write to see if something’s missing. Shares link.
1:44:17 Perry doesn’t think that answers his question because having only one person answer his question is enough. Wants everyone to come together and express their selves collectively, reflecting a decentralized community. Thinks we should have deliberate and express rules with funding, need bylaws, details his idea
1:47:95 Tadas doesn’t agree we are ignoring it, first of all everything is explicit and contract defines the rules on how funds are shared. The on,y thing we lack is translation to user friendly language, for that we need time. We don’t have the resources for all that needs to be done. Asks Perry if he sees dnews as an ultimate source of proof regarding consensus of a fractal
1:48:43 Perry responds to Tadas , no he’s suggesting that Eden fractal itself publish a list of sources , anyone can interpret and create their own interpretation of content. Not trying to monopolize,
1:50:02 Tadas responds he’s aligned with vision if he sticks to that, naming systems in relation to firmament. Which names all kinds of resources. Firmament would be a protocol for expressing consensus of a group, regarding names
1:51:56 Perry responds to Tadas let’s do it, is it more complicated than what he provided. Details what he’s talking about provided. Mentions it could be done in a list on google doc system
1:53:53 Tadas comments the google doc solution is definitely the most sensible in meantime, but long term does not see it because source is owned by google. Firmament would be machine friendlier.
Perry responds whichever way would be good to help us move forward. Again details what he sees as a great idea. Believes we should receive grants in the future
2:00:25 Marco mentions bbs , was a news assoc called monkeity, had all links. What Perry is saying is important. His web 3 board would suit Perry’s even better. Anyone could start a board on bbs and from there we can work with whatever blockchain
2:02:32 Dan thanks Marco, bbs exciting application, adds he thinks the combination of tools bbs, firmament , notion, gif, consortium and idea he has for cignal
2:03:29 Rosmari , great discussion. Questions Perry about the list of different sources that everyone could contribute to. Transparency question and funds. Trying to clarify what you were saying.
Perry responds best way is to think of it as a savings and checking Acct, would ask donors to make donation to savings account. But payouts come out of checking Acct. For contracts.
The source list is what sources d news is going to use to create the stream
2:09:06 Jorge thanks Perry, sees a lot of thought power in his proposal. Long term has this flaw, better to have a customer with need of product than a product with a need of a customer. It’s not the most urgent need at thus moment, grateful to Dan what he’s doing with website. What your proposing is a product in search of a customer , the community is not asking for that. right now the community is pretty happy with Dan postings on his website. Does see the need for creating a decent income for contributors. Thinks maybe we could modify smart contract, need to adjust incentives to outside world.
2:13:34 Perry comments we need a always if presenting all our contributions. Important point is the ability to show new members and contributors how everything works.
2:15:18 Patrick thanks Jorge fir kind words, does not agree with Perry on what he’s saying. Mentions firmament interview. Comments on Perry’s pointing at competition, we have Bbs that we can all use. Explains Eden fractal source use. Allow individuals the freedom to do, that’s the independence. Does not see the point for Eden fractal to be involved in Perry’s proposal. Eden fractal is the catalyst abd we need to concentrate on that. Comments on doing things more dynamic. You want people too see things from your eyes, he is making parallel between Eden fractal and Eden on eos.
2:21:50 Perry comments on what Tadas is doing with firmament is adequate but what Perry is doing is not adequate. Why we should do firmament but decline Perry’s proposal.
2:23:17 Dan states we should move on, would like to see more calm communication. Will be sharing some ideas in text, thanks Jorge for eloquent speech. Good idea to start wrapping it up.
2:25:10 Patrick comments not about Perry or Patrick, Eden progress is most important, collaboration is important into Eden fractal. This is where you learn this Eden fractal group.
Perry responds that he’s trying to open field, not to compete. Thanks everyone for allowing him to bring them here. Will bring more here, step at a time, making refinements.
Patrick asks Perry about why he has not participated in msig, Perry responds that he would not put his signature on msig when he sees he Eden fractal as not being decentralized.
2:31:50 Dan starts wrapping it up, thanks everyone for attending and all their great work. Encourages everyone to join telegram.
2:36:07 Jza just joined in, in El Salvador. Going into places where bitcoin people have houses. Interesting, very focused on bitcoin, a lot of bitcoin Maxist there. Interesting things going on there. Government very pro bitcoin. Volcano bots already done and launched.
2:38:42 Dan thanks JZA for update, hats on, Go Eden fractal
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