Respond to swarthy hatter in eden fractal chat regarding alternating meeting times

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Transcribe and organize audio recording from about Jan 5 about this alternating times for Eden Fractal meeting

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I remember a few community members suggested something similar shortly after eden fractal started

We discussed this at a couple events at the time and there are some messages about it in here or the old eden discord. i think i answered similarly back then, though would need to do some digging to find the responses

i like the idea of making the events at a better time for people in the states and want to be accommodating, but generally favor keeping only one consistent meeting time for eden fractal events for the the following reasons:

simplicity - no confusion, simple messaging in promotions
cohesion vs fragmentation - better to have small community that know each other well
fairness - people who can join both meetings can earn more respect than others

(who made that proposal? maybe CAC, felix, jorge, lennie?)

Follow up Messages

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Text version of screenshots

Screenshot 1 — Eden Fractal Telegram, Dec 26–29

26 December

Swarthy Hatter (2:33 PM):

When respect games resume, what is the standard day and time?

Dan Singjoy (edited 2:35 PM):

Swarthy Hatter: When respect games resume, what is the standard day and...

Respect Games will be on Thursdays at 17 UTC

Dan Singjoy (edited 2:44 PM):

As we discussed at our most recent town hall, we're considering weekly Eden Town Halls (Thursdays at 16 UTC) alongside biweekly Eden Fractal Respect Games (Thursdays at 17 UTC).

We also explored the idea of running respect games weekly when we return, though several community members shared that a biweekly cadence for respect games might work better and provide more space for deeper discussion during Eden Town Hall. I agree this feels like the best way to begin the season.

Dan Singjoy (2:45 PM):

We'll publish the video in the coming weeks for anyone who missed these conversations. I've needed to focus on other matters over the past month and apologize for the delay. I hope everyone is enjoying their holiday season!

29 December

Swarthy Hatter (4:42 PM):

Dan Singjoy: As we discussed at our most recent town hall, we're consi...

I think that playing a second instance of the game at a different time zone friendly meeting time on a bi-weekly is a higher priority than increasing the frequency of the game.

Swarthy Hatter (4:45 PM):

Something that I think is important for this framework is accessibility to governance participation. the framework stand to dramatically improve operational efficiency, so it should stand to reason that operators should have a bit more time in practice to run additional instances of the meeting. This might not be a necessary feature for all implementations of the framework, but for highly decentralized ones, only having one meeting time strongly favors a set of timezones and a subset of participants.

Swarthy Hatter (4:47 PM):

For example. 17 UTC is 9pm in East Africa (relatively accessible) but 11 – 3 pm in the US depending on the timezone. This means working individuals in the states experience barriers to participation.

Screenshot 2 — Eden Fractal Telegram, Jan 3

03 January

Swarthy Hatter (4:20 PM):

Like I know for example that @sailingLeo has expressed interest in attending but has a conflict with our current meeting times.

Swarthy Hatter (4:21 PM):

In the absence of OP fractals meetings, do you think 1 meeting per week with alternating times is something you can manage operationally @dansingjoy?

Dan Singjoy (9:28 PM):

Swarthy Hatter: In the absence of OP fractals meetings, do you think 1 meeting per w...

I could potentially manage this and love the idea of making event timing more accommodating for community members. However, I'm skeptical about the idea of hosting Eden Fractal meetings at alternating times and believe hosting meetings at the same time is probably best for the community.

I remember a few people suggested alternating times in Eden Fractal's first year, and we ultimately decided against it. Hosting meetings at one consistent time is simpler and generally results in more cohesive discussions. If we were to host meetings at multiple times, how would you envision it working?

Screenshot 3 — Eden Fractal Telegram, Jan 3 (continued)

Swarthy Hatter (12:24 PM):

Dan Singjoy: I could potentially manage this and love the idea of making event timi...

1. A user would only play 1x per 2 week cycle. Perhaps they could still participate, but not earn respect. Or perhaps they could only spectate if they wish.

2. A different day of the week n alternating weeks (to accommodate users who are never available thursdays. Thursday 1 week. Friday the next, then back to thursday etc

3. A different time of day to accommodate those never available in the middle of business hours in the western hemisphere. (5 –7pm EST)

Dan Singjoy (12:26 PM):

week 1 Thursday 16:00 pm UTC

week 2 Friday 20:00 pm – 22:00 pm UTC

week 3 Thursday 16:00 pm UTC

week 4 Friday 20:00 pm – 22:00 pm UTC

Swarthy Hatter (9:12 PM):

In the end this may not be a high enough priority, and might dilute participation in either game. I just think it would be a higher priority than playing at a higher frequency.

Related Draft Message

for some context, we’ve been doing eden fractal events on thursdays at 17 utc for over a year, and we’ve been meeting for weekly events at this time since late 2023 (when we started doing optimism fractal weekly events).

the first time we tried changing the time it took us three weeks of discussions to find a time that worked for the community (as documented in this article) and still weren’t able to accommodate everyone’s schedule.

while it would be awesome if you’re able to join every event, we also need to be realistic that the current time won’t work for everyone and we’re not able to easily change the time for everyone who wants to change it.

however, we have a proposal system and are open to making scheduling changes if anyone is sufficiently motivated to persuade the community of a better time.