Chapter 1 — 0:03
Dan opens the 142nd Eden Fractal Respect Game on the community's four-year anniversary, reflects on four years of play, and points to the recent Eden Town Hall celebrating Zao Fractal's 100th event before explaining how the game ranks contributions to the fractal ecosystem.
[music] All right. And we're now here for our 142nd Eden Fractor Respect game. Um, and we just had a great discussion at the town hall celebrating. And so now we're just going to, you know, do what we always do here at Edenfr for the past four years and play. So, uh, you guys of course know how it goes. Um, but you know, for anybody who's not familiar, Edenfr.com and like I mentioned earlier too, uh, we just had a great episode of Eden Town Hall that came out with Zoract, which recently did their 100th event. Uh, and yeah, of course, all these things are on the Eden Creators events calendar. Next event will be on July 2nd, I think, and videos on Eden Creator YouTube channel. Um, so yeah, I really didn't need to give a presentation because you guys already know this stuff, but I just felt like it might be helpful because this is the four year anniversary celebration, but um, yeah. appreciate you guys being here and excited to see what you guys have been up to. We're going to play the respect game and uh rank contributions to the fractal ecosystem. Way to go. Uh and so basically we'll have some time just to share what we've been uh creating uh working towards growing fractals um towards Eden Fractal's vision of helping all community organizations have the tools and methods to make the best possible collective decisions and to implement rational decision-making processes to society. So, um, feel free to just, um, share anything related to that. And I guess each of us can take 5 minutes or so, or even longer if you want, and we'll just share what we've been doing, uh, for the past couple weeks, uh, since the last time. But also, to do, you weren't here for the last respect game, so you could share what you've been up to over the past month. Thank good uh, you came late for the last respect game, but feel free to speak longer about your fractals and stuff like that. Um, and give a more uh, broad overview for, uh, for us here, as well as anybody watching, so that we know more about the fractals you're working on. And um yeah, you guys can take it away if there's anything you want to say uh following up from the last conversation and feel free. And if you guys want to go ahead and share any sort of presentation or share what you've been up to for um help in
2:03 fractals, then you can take it away and the floor's open. Are you doing like um one person presents, next person presents or is this just like the free time of the No, this is it basically. I mean I mean if you had any quick comments then feel free to share but otherwise uh just basically we take turns and we take about five minutes or so to present what we did to contribute to Eden's mission and vision. Okay. I don't want to go for Okay. Uh Tadas, do you want to go first or do you want me to go first? I want you to go first. Well, I want you to go first. What are we going to do about that? You never go first. [laughter] I actually uh [laughter] I was going to say that um last week I or two weeks ago the I I made that post on the on the Eden Fractal Telegram chat that I accidentally got elected as a delegate with supermajority power. So, I was going to I was going to almost exercise that power and say, "Tash, you must go first." But no, I'm just joking. Uh I'm happy to go first. I just uh I usually go first because I I speak a lot when I give a little presentation, but I I didn't speak for that long, so I'm happy to go. And I have a little presentation ready to go, so I'll share what I've been up to now. Okay. And so, you guys might not know me, but I'm Dan Sing joy. Just kidding.
Chapter 2 — 3:33
Dan shares his contributions, including a Notion AI skill for respect game contribution reports, his fractal development system and a wider fractal app, the ideas of a book of firmament and a book of ORDAO, deep research into firmament and Git tooling such as Radicle, Forgejo, and SHA-1 versus SHA-256, hosting and promoting the Eden Town Hall, outreach to fellow builders, a Python-based Eden Fractal transcript cleaner he built as his first Python project, a copyright-free respect game logo, nonprofit incorruptibility research, and new AI skills for the Eden Creators team.
Um, and what is going on? There's a events calendar. I've been working on building this skill with notion AI for Eden factory respect game contribution reports. It's still a work in progress and I didn't get a chance to really go back and forth with it. So, I have like a like a first draft where it aims to summarize everything that I did over the past two weeks. So, that's what I'll share here. Um, the little summary up here with um maybe five or so things that I worked on quite a bit. Uh, so one I've been working on this thing that I'm calling the fractal development system or fractal development process. It's also something that I've been working on branding or bringing together into like a wider fractal app as well over the past couple weeks as well. um and defining how a community can um outline uh goals they want to accomplish and then use their respect to collaborate on working to achieve and create something such as an application specifications for an application a book a website an article um there's some related projects and tasks here that that you can see another one is called uh collaborative it's called design collaborative website development for eaten.com. I have a project about practical development process which I recently brought into system and app. Um and then um I also worked on developing designing a firmament app and Eden postfractal app and I came with the idea of publishing a book of firmament as well as a book of ordo as well as different books. Um I don't know how to exactly explain this uh because it's kind of like a broad idea and I don't have a single specific like uh article I can really point to that explains all of it really well. It's kind of scattered in a few different places, but for example, this is one I was working on yesterday or two days ago. Uh, which is basically uh using um so firmament is this idea that Tadas came up with a few years ago about um basically building a fractal blockchain. It's a new kind of blockchain um that is basically a git repository that is uh secured via a blockchain. And I had a lot of ideas
5:34 about how a community could have like a git repository with like say a book for example. And I I and two weeks ago I had shared with Doss like 20 different articles explaining firmament. And I thought about how that could turn into a book of firmament how we could actually create that. Um and so there's a a vision here as well as a project I think for publish the book of firmament on its own firmament chain. So this would be basically a repository of lots of articles about firmament that could use something like Ordo or the Eden plus factor consensus process to um basically uh manage that repository and allow the community to collaboratively create this book. Um there's some there's more details here. Um, so I think that this is a new way that communities can collaborate to create things and we have a lot of things at Eden Fractal that we want to improve education materials like improving the the website uh creating constitution for Eden Fractal specifications or apps and stuff like that. So I've been doing a lot of work into thinking about just how that could work and the benefits of of making that happen. Um, and during the town hall we're also talking about how that could be rewarded with funding. Um, and how you could prioritize what you want to. So I've also been pulling the ideas from respect trees into these ideas too. Um, and also working on how a nonprofit um that I'm uh pretty uh pretty frequently researching next steps to develop and launch can work with us to help fund the development of such things. Um, and also collaborate in in a way where a nonprofit could also have this kind of cryptographic providence um as well as a community having cryptographic providence about what it uh believes and what it is and what it a aims to create and then have systems like voting on or out to publish commits and so forth. So there's a lot there. Um, and that's kind of like this broad research project that I've just generally been doing and been very inspired and enthused to research. Uh, I also did a lot of research over the past few days just into Git and Ferman tooling. I have a project for this. I learned about radical. I don't know if you know about this. It's created by the people who create uh, drips, but it's like a sovereign forge which is kind of like forge. So, I did a whole bunch of research into that and a
7:37 bunch of tasks that I created. I saved a bunch of links there if you want. I'd be happy to share this so you can like dive deeper into it. Uh, and I have some specific documents researching uh, radical versus F forge.j and Git internals, uh, Shaw one to Shaw 256 and how this could work and came up with like an implementation plan and stuff like that. Um, so there's a lot of kind of like early work there. I also hosted the Eden Town Hall that we just had too and did uh quite a bit of promotions for it. Put out a bunch of tweets and so forth. messaged Jorge congratulating him on the new Fractal and shared um uh he said he's using Discord. So I shared uh the Zo Fractal bot and and a video with him. Messaged Vlad about the work that he's been doing uh with Singularity and um asked him about Fractal decision making processes. Messaged Sebastian about a bunch of videos he shared. Messaged with Gudaol and joined the easy community and learned about easy and the fact he's doing there. And also messaged ML about a video he made recently. Um and then I also made an Eden battle transcript cleaner too. Uh this is the first time I developed in Python. So I developed a script in Python and a JSON file and stuff that goes with that. Um and like a read me I'm planning to publish at some point because I do a lot of transcripts where I say Eden fractal and it always and the transcript always thinks thinks I'm saying like eating practical or something. So I developed that [laughter] so that I can just improve that uh and make that work better and that that took some learning. Um, I also did some analysis on making a new respect game logo that doesn't have any copyright um, issues and so forth. And then you have like a library for re research and get to. So, I kind of just went through the uh, summary there, but I've already probably taken about five minutes, so I should probably wrap it up. There's probably a lot more to there's a lot of stuff with relation to uh, nonprofit research. I was I was working on like an incorruptibility kind of thing, how to make a incorruptible foundation and worked on also improving my audio levels and microphone setup because I had some issues with that for hosting the events um and worked on building a lot of skills for the Eden creators um team and stuff like that with AI. So I suppose uh that's a that's a good overview of what I did for Eden Fractal over the past couple weeks and I'm curious to hear what you guys have been up to.
9:45 Okay, I see no rush we have time. Uh yeah, so if you want me to dive deeper into any of that stuff then I can. Um thanks for the um the support cudisol and uh yeah maybe it's best if one of you guys go first and then we can have time for questions after. Could you share that summary the the whole contribution report? Yes. Uh yes I can. Although the one thing is that it it currently has a bunch of pages in my notion um that are private to me right now. So in order for you to see all those pages, I would need to get you access to all those pages like maybe individually or something like that. So I'll show you the summary right now just so you can see it. Uh but then you're going to see a lot of just like blank uh lines in terms of like the actual projects and stuff like that. Um and then I can share any of them any of those projects or tasks with you like those pages so you can actually see them. Um yeah in particular to I think you'd probably be interested in a lot of this firmament stuff like um the deep dives into how it works at technical architecture as well as the concept and the visions of how you can make books and stuff with it too. And I'd be very curious to hear your thoughts on that. So just let me know whatever the things you want to see. High level summary fine. Okay. And I just thought you could share those that contributions list channel. Oh yeah, I could just share that uh that that link there. I I could try sharing the um the text, but that might be a bit difficult too because it's going to show up as a lot of like https notion.so something links to. So I'll just share the link to it for now and the contributions channel I forgot about that one.
Chapter 3 — 11:35
Tadas explains that health issues and life errands limited his cycle, but he has kept writing toward a future video or design philosophy, has been learning the new AI tools, and wants to fully understand firmament's history before building anything new on top of it.
Okay. So I can go next. I will probably be very short. So uh so according to my typical standards I haven't contributed anything in the last month to pract uh as I said in the the previous meeting I was on in the during summer the only fractal related things I'm going to do is just brighten about stuff I learned and uh yeah just doing a lot of writing that will hopefully lead to something that I can publish as a uh either a video or a design philosophy for about derived from stuff I learned or just a set of uh lessons or or maybe just a story I don't know yet. Uh and another thing I'm just learning about all the AI technologies. Uh yes and uh I haven't been able to work too much on either of those uh over the last couple of weeks because of some health issues and uh yeah just a lot of other errands in life. Uh but I I think I'm getting there. Um yeah, and regarding the the stuff I'm writing about and how it relates to permanent because uh I just had a thought while you were presenting stuff you're working on perment is that from my perspective I I don't feel like I understand what happened with permanent up to this point. So I'm still learning about the past. Uh
13:39 so that makes me like a bit I don't know. uh like uh yeah I'm not sure like like I I I feel like I want to explain what what I learned so far before before creating new stuff. So I don't know if you want to rush with creating going forward with firmament or uh I don't know maybe it's not worth stopping you but just wanted you to know that I think I there is a lot of stuff still to learn from and to understand before before creating something new. Okay, sounds good. Um, yeah, Kol said he'd love to learn more after the process, too. So, yeah, I would love to talk more about Ferman after the respect game. And, um, yeah, I also I've just been kind of compelled to keep thinking about it. I keep trying not to think about it in a way, but I just keep thinking about it. And I do see some value in the near future for it, too. Uh, and I just felt compelled to just just get the ideas out. Um, and so, um, at at some point I'd like to collaborate with you on that when you're ready and talk about it, but there there's also no big rush to we can we can follow up with that in the future. And go ahead. Oh, I I I agree that you should get them out, but I see you you work on you're working on them multiple cycles, multiple months. I don't think it's worth it. I think you should get it out as soon as as soon as possible. But on the other hand, I I I recognize this with permanent ideas. It's like I said, it's a rabbit hole and it's very hard to to publish it because it's never complete and I think that's symbolical
15:44 but a larger philosophical idea about her. So yeah. Okay, sounds good. Well, yeah, maybe we'll have to have a meeting about it or talk about the next town hall or something like that. Um because I started with with sharing some stuff on matrix. I don't know if you had the chance to check that out yet and that has a lot of just like thoughts about what firmament is and uh happy to share any with happy to share any of those with you as well. And then these new ideas are just like how we could use it uh in a in a productive and more near-term manner. Um so those I'll share at some point soon as well. They're kind of like first ideas that I kind of just came up with over the past two weeks because I thought I stopped it after two weeks ago and in the past two weeks I was like, "Oh, but there's this. We could do this now." So, um yeah, maybe you best stuck with that after the respect game a little bit if you want to and we could figure out the best next time to talk about it as well as uh go over uh you know any questions Gudas might have. Uh Tadas, is there anything else you want to share for your contributions or do you want to pass on to Gudas? No, let's let's hear good.
Chapter 4 — 16:56
Gudasol shares his contributions, including hosting the Longhorn Antelope developers round table and distributing about $100 to attendees, inviting everyone to help build a blockchain around a fractal, gathering top Antelope and XPR builders including EOS Michael, Chris Barnes and his human governance layer, and Kevin of the Wire blockchain, and his work designing the financial and tokenomics layer that keeps the community number one by volume on the XPR network.
before just so much synchronicity with whatever you guys are doing with German. Um I don't know a lot about it but I think that divine timing of Canadian and I want to say that I think that my greatest contribution will be to join the people that I to build what could be the first block and I shared a little bit about that in the chat right now. Yes, I can hear there's some background noise. I hear somebody else speaking too. Maybe you could turn I know Zoom has some sort of setting where you can like The thing is that I'm at a I'm at a restaurant. Yeah. Uh Zoom does have a setting if you go to settings. Okay. So now now is it now? Can you hear better? Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot better now. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, I went through that setting and the high noise cancel. Although it's a bit quiet for me still. Yeah, it's a bit muffled now. Okay. Well, try. Okay, let's try now. Can you hear? Is it okay? Yeah. Okay, cool. So, um let's try to hear me. And so what I uh was just saying is that I think that my maybe you can mute Dan I don't know talking um okay so my biggest contribution is really to invite you to the group that I've been building it's a long and developers group there's a lot of people that are aligned this idea of creating a frail around by creating a blockchain around a fasc My goal is like I see the magic in bringing people together through these practice and that's really the biggest thing that I've learned was like the
18:58 magic of just bringing consciousness together the first time on Zoom. So along with that my contribution is to invite you to our next meeting which is in two weeks. Um I really think that you will love to be there. Um and I'm talking about the Android developers group not the other easy group. Um but so yeah that is one contribution is I did hold that group meeting and I posted a a link to there which the telegram link that has what we've been doing and if I can share my screen real quick yeah you can share I just sent a request to give me you have thing. All right. So, all right. About kind of jumping over to a different a different section real quick, but this is the other factor group I held um on Tuesday. This is our like running list for contributions. So, this was 13. We had seven people show up at the meeting, although really six because one person just came in and dropped super quick because they ran out of their internet cut out or something. Uh so that was a big contribution. We distributed about $100 to the people that showed up at the meeting and um yeah, so so we're we're doing that. And then I guess we did one two weeks ago as well, although that'd be a little bit more than a month ago. um next contribution or just a little bit more about that. So that's related to to this token. Um and it is a a public issue we have on our telegram. So related to the the first contribution about like holding what used to be a fractal itself which is the Longhorn developers group in that group is is my screen still sharing that tab? Oh no it's not.
21:05 It's still tearing contributions uh tab. Okay. and now showing consensus streaks. Okay, good. Um, so I missed a little bit, but that's okay. So the in addition to holding this this group that is it was supposed to be a fractal, but really now it's just like an Angelo round table, but we do have uh in the group this time was EOS Michael and he's the number two block producer on Proton. He's like really a top block producer. He's the one guy that we would need to launch our own blockchain and be sure that the infra would never go down. And he's more than down to do that if we need a a good BP. Uh and then also Chris Barnes was there and Chris Barnes has been working at to create a a similar thing like he designed this human governance layer and I'd love to to wrap in what you guys are working on with him. And then also Kevin was there who is a core antelope guy. He's like the core developer of the wire blockchain. So wire is doing a lot to advance the antelope technology. I'm really bullish on it. Uh and then there was also PGA was there. Henrik Piga from the pixel journey wax project if you guys know know him. Uh he's doing a lot for education. So it was a nice a nice group this week. And then if we're looking at if we're looking at what we actually talked about at the meeting um relevant to the fractal. So Chris Barnes he's you know he's talking about this governance layer uh that can be manipulated currently if we have a just invoke token and he's proposing a human layer that's used to to distribute some of the funds. So, what one thing that came up at this meeting was like, okay, we need to figure out like how to have different buckets to pay people. And that's a word that that Michael Michael used. I think I had to put it somewhere else. Uh, but basically the problem is that we we don't have the funding for uh a few different things, but mainly like marketing and things like that. Like that's not clearly defined within the inflation system.
23:14 So I think that we all kind of agree and we Chris and I have been convincing the rest of the group as well that like yeah fractal is probably the best way to do that. So I see this as a big contribution because if we can actually get together and I'm including you guys in this because I'm telling you now um we can really make it happen like we have all the people to do it. Um Dan, you're the guy that has shown you can put in a lot of work into the the collecting the ideas, making sure they're in written format thing. Um, I do good in the host role, bringing people together. Also, with the economic layer, I've gotten really good at designing these tokconomics. We're still the number one by volume on XPR network by a lot. Um, in terms of community tokens, like we did 40k in volume yesterday. I didn't look today, but it's it's usually more than 10k in volume every day. Uh, so that's real volume, and we're charging money on that and distributing it back to people. So, we have all the pieces and I'm probably over five minutes, but uh I I'm really standing behind my contributions and bringing us together and I think it's going to be really awesome if if something comes out of it. And I'm excited after this to also learn about what you guys are working on with the GitHub hub based thing. And I know that I've bumped into it before, but I've never fully dived into how it works. So, I'd love to do that. And yeah, I shared some links in the chat. I don't I didn't share this link. So, I'll share this one real quick. And that is what I have. All right. Thank you very much, Crystal. Awesome work. really appreciate you um working on um exploring the new uh blockchain with with all this great Anflow builders and developers and sharing with us here as well as the work you're doing on easy as well. Um and the the financial layer that that you've been designing there too. Um I suppose
25:18 if anybody has any questions or comments for anybody um that would be relevant to reaching consensus then we can do so but otherwise we can just reach consensus on and uh vote in the Dr. Graham telegram client and then we can after that elect a delegate and then we can maybe have a some more time for some open conversation afterwards if we'd like. Um and yeah, I can also share some of the resources about the firmament uh gutasol. And yeah, also really appreciate you inviting us to to join the antelope round table too. I would love to join and I'd love to reconnect with some of those guys. Um so I will I'll try to make it um soon. I'll see if I can make it during the next event, which I think you said it in two weeks. And I'll say that link and look into it and also read into what progress you're making and stuff there. Um because yeah, I'd love to collaborate with you guys on um on starting up that new chain and new fractal. I think that sounds awesome. I really appreciate it. Welcome Eric as well. Thanks for joining. Uh we just uh the three of us just went and just shared our contributions. We're just about to reach consensus, but if you want to share uh what you've been up to, Eric, uh before we reach consensus, then feel free. It's good to see you. Seems like you're seems seems like you're on the move.
Chapter 5 — 26:37
Eric updates the group that his university moved his graduation up, so he is racing to finish his dissertation by August 23rd using a new appreciation survey, and shares how rebranding fractals as "contribution circles" through his Career Catalyst Collaborative has cut nonprofit onboarding from three months to fifteen minutes.
Yeah, I am. I just had a meeting. That's why I wasn't popping in there. So, uh yeah, my uh university moved up my graduation date by several months. So [laughter] I went into panic mode and instead of correlating um motivation with measured appreciation through what we're doing, I now have to in order to get it done, I need to correlate motivation with uh perceived appreciation or reported appreciation. So I had to create a whole new um survey that I'm sending out that everybody can just take and then I can measure that data. It's it's the easy way to get the doctorate, but I didn't want to do that because I like doing things the right way. So, I'm still going to do that. It's still on, but now the timetable is I have to be completely done with everything. Eyes uh dotted, tees crossed by August 23rd. So, I've got 10 weeks to write all this, do it, and write all this up. Fortunately, everything I've done before counts. And uh I always had this as as a backup, but it was originally supposed to be February so I could get all this done, but now I can't. So So I was meeting with somebody that could help me right in there. So all right. Well, thank you for the update on uh on the research that you're doing to and I hope that all the other work has been going well with helping the uh nonprofits and volunteers be on boarded to rectals and hopefully your uh research and kind of analysis section of that will be well the career catalyst is the reer career catalyst was kicking and I was just talking to connect.org or the uh CEO and uh he's agreed that it's a great program and we talked about how we could
28:38 work it together. So, and uh it of course is the the base we'll be using my research the fractals which I rebrand and I don't think I told you I call them contribution circles because nobody understands fractals. I just [laughter] came up with with a different brand, you know, but it's the same thing. It's just an easier way for me to explain it where people go, "Oh, that sounds good." And they remember it. I find that nobody remembers fractal, but contribution. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Eden contribution circle for you. You could but I'm trying to measure it with the organization. So, you know, basically I'm just saying. But the difference is when I first tried to get partners on board, it took me like three months from them to go, "What are you doing? What? Well, oh, that sounds, oh, wow." to, "Oh my god, this is great. We're all in." That took like three months, but now it takes me like 15 minutes for me to talk about it. They go, "Oh, yeah, I'm in. That sounds great. Let's go." So that is probably the big thing I've done in the last year is I've gone from three months to get onboard somebody to get them committed to 15 minutes and then the same thing to then get the volunteers to participate gone that. So it really just comes to the fact that most nonprofits don't have a volunteer problem. They have a consistency problem and that's because volunteers don't need more time. They only have the time they have. They need a better way to show up. And the better way to show up is contribution circles. And here's how they work. Random groups that, you know, boom. And they go, "Well, crap, that makes a whole lot of sense." And they go, "Why do you want to do that?" And I say, "Well, this exposes you to a wide variety of people and ideas, and you can choose to engage with those that resonate with you any way you want. Here's the simple ways to do it." So when I tell people that they go, "Okay, I get it." But I'm really explaining everything that we've been
30:44 working together. It just isn't a way where they go, "Oh, let's do it." And then once you're in, we can start branching out, really teaching them what goes. So basically, I've accelerated the onboarding for both organizations and volunteers a whole time. Sounds great. Thank you for the update. And uh yes wrote uh he wrote hah how we call call out he said he said we call ours contribution club and I guess that's the easy fractal that he was telling us about he also came with that uh or no actually contributors club um so similar contribution circle contributors club so there might be some some learning there how we can communicate about fractal decision-m process more effectively thanks very much Eric for sharing us I I want to give just a time check to I don't know if anybody has a hard stop but uh we are five minutes from the top of the hour and um so far only me and Doss are in the telegram group. So um doss created a telegram group. I don't know if Eric you can see that in the chat uh because you might have joined after that or maybe you can join but if uh Gudas and Eric you can join that chat where we can play the respect game there and uh yeah Eric joined late but I'm happy to include Eric in the respect game uh if everybody else is good with that too. So yeah, if you guys could join that link, all you got to do is click there and then uh get your EVM account there. Uh and then afterwards we can have more discussion too. If there's any quick last things you want to share, Eric too, then feel free. I didn't mean to cut you off, but I just want to make sure that we have time for everybody to uh just uh rank and we also have to reach because that's a delicate briefly afterwards too, which I don't think will take long, but I just want to make sure that we have time and and we're not keeping anybody too long. And I see everybody's in there. just uh put out a prompt to please enter your base account as a reply to this message. So, please do so. Okay, go to your card. Okay, cool.
Chapter 6 — 32:52
Dan brings everyone into the ORDAO telegram client and the group plays the Respect Game, ranking each person's contributions to the fractal from level six down.
And then yeah based on the presentations then um you know we'll just rank uh level six highest contributor to Eden fractal level five second highest contributor and so forth as we do and I don't know I mean Eric didn't hear what we said. So I guess maybe we'll just have it where maybe just the three of us vote but we have Eric as somebody who can be voted for and and maybe that's the best way to do it. Um, and Eric, um, we're just waiting for you for your, uh, EVM account. Yeah, just a second. Trying to get my number. Okay, thanks. There's also letters in there, too. You can start the whole thing. Okay. Yeah, we can start. So dos put out the uh who should rank level six and then whenever you get that account Eric then we can just add it in afterwards. All right. I think that's mine. Okay. Yeah. I'm voting for who does all you know involving so many people and one place and collaborating on blockchain that's that seems like solution in the general yeah to brag both I agree I also voted to gut oil for the same reason and we have consensus on gutas level Thank you. Yeah, it was good for Dan, but thank you. I really appreciate that. You're welcome. Good as well. And thank you. Much respect.
35:08 Ben is Ben's greatest contribution for me right now is he's motivating me to write faster about focus [snorts] more on I'm trying here to do trying to get you to write the next firm articles here trying to inspire you pulling me back into firmament then uh [laughter] come to fermentas come to ferman it's good well thank you it looks like I have consensus on level five So I appreciate guys and I will do level four on Eric. Like I said I I haven't much directly to eat. Okay. Well I'm with because I really want to vote for Eric because I think Eric awesome but also to ask you joined Eden Town Hall and it weren't for you I wouldn't have had that it would have been me and I would have just had a conversation on my own. So I mean I really appreciate even though you had some other things to deal with uh you've been able to join. So um and also inspired most of my contributions too over over the years. I wouldn't be having much to write about if you didn't come up with firm in order and stuff like that. So uh I don't know. I guess I can follow your instruction vote for Eric but also apart for you too. Oh but I guess somebody has consensus already.
Chapter 7 — 36:25
Respect Game results, with Level 6 going to Gudasol, Level 5 to Tadas, Level 4 to Eric, and Level 3 to Dan.
Okay. It looks like Eric has consensus. Yeah, Eric deserves it too. Eric's doing amazing work. Um and yeah, he's making a huge impact. So, I'm voting for Well, and uh I I don't just share your information with with this stuff, we're recruiting people like crazy into that organization at Career Catalyst Collaborative. It's ticking. Awesome. Well, I'm I'm very glad to hear that, Eric. And uh yeah, I I hope it goes well. I'm looking forward to hearing more about it. I mean, it sounds like it's going well. I hope it continues to go well and continues to kick.
Chapter 8 — 37:01
The group elects Tadas as the next delegate, with Dan declining to renominate himself after losing a seat, and confirms the rankings on the Eden Fractal ORDAO app.
Now, we can elect a delegate. So, I think that if we looked at the spreadsheet, I don't know if I approved those proposals, by the way, to do on the ordo app. I don't know if I actually executed them rather. So, we'll have to execute them before submitting the new ones. Oh, you did. Okay, cool. Thank you. Uh, and if we looked at the spreadsheet, I think we'd see that I had the receipts by accident. Um, as I mentioned in the message last that I shared two weeks ago and lost one seat. So um I will um I will not be electing myself or nominating myself as a delegate. So who would like to be a delegate or have people already voted? I just voted for Eric but sorry I was jumping the gun. Okay. Yeah. So we want someone someone who particip who participates in meeting town halls which for this and the next 10 weeks I'm just going to be working 24 hours on my dissertation. Okay. Um should we elect Tadas maybe? toss, do you want to be delegate or uh do you want to squeeze in the the delegate Eric uh during your working your dissertation or Bruce while you're interested? No, I this is going to I'm in full the reason you haven't seen me. I've been just in full crisis mode getting this done. So, it's not that I don't care, it's that if I don't get this done, I lose the whole thing. Okay. Well, I hope that the crisis is all resolved. Uh and I have full faith in you, Eric. I'm sure you'll be able to pull it off and do it very well. Uh but feel free to let us know if there's anything that uh that you want help with that we can help with and to totally understand that you need to focus on that and uh yeah, feel free to take your time and well, you could just uh you could just take my survey. It's like 15 minutes and you just do it once and you don't have to do anything else. So that'll Okay. Yeah. If you want to share the link I don't know if I have that already.
39:03 Yeah, I'll I just created it. So, I'll put it in the uh um Telegram chat later. Okay, sounds good. Thank you for doing that and looking forward to helping you out with that. And yeah, we are 2 hours and 2 minutes in. Um so, if anybody needs to go then feel free. Thanks so much for being here for the Eden Vector 4 year anniversary event. I'm also happy to stick around for longer. Um, Tadas just created the poll uh or the um the rankings uh proposal on the Eden Fractal Ward Dow app Eden.exyz where we can vote uh with our respect tokens to further um verify and confirm the results of this respect game and to will shortly be putting out another poll. I think to I'm kind of assuming here. [laughter] I don't mean to put work on you but I just seem like that's usually what you do after you put out this one. you you put in a poll for electing Tadas as a delegate because we reached uh consensus as Tadas being a delegate. Um so that's good. We've successfully reached consensus. Uh also I'm going to share with Gudasol um maybe I'll share a couple links with you if you want to read more about the firm and infractal blockchains and we can talk more about it in the future. There's also some interesting videos about it too, but maybe the links would be a good place to start with it if you're interested. And yeah, if there's anything anybody wants to talk about uh like now or stick around for a bit longer and continue any conversation then then we can too. Or we can wrap it up and say go eaten the practical go fractals whenever we're ready as well.
Chapter 9 — 40:36
Gudasol asks for a quick firmament pitch, and since Tadas wants to first summarize its history, Dan delivers it, explaining firmament as a fractal blockchain where blocks are written by people rather than computers — a community agrees on a set of documents in a git repository and posts the repository's hash on-chain so members can confirm it with their respect tokens, never depending on a single platform.
I'd be down to like have Tadas do a quick pitch of the uh firm lament and and please do it like as a pitch because I think it's important to like to be in that communication mode of quick and uh selling the benefits. So try to sell it to me. Pretend like I'm a normal person. Yeah, that's a good point. And I totally don't have any kind of opinion. It's just a set of ideas and a general philosophy. And like I said, I first want to summarize what I have tried to do in the past and what worked, what haven't worked. I'm in that state right now. And if Dan can then I think is closer much closer to having in [clears throat] something pitchable. Although I think for him as well it's still exploration time not like really presentation. I can be the firmament pitcher. Okay. I mean I'm still exploring too all all the applications of it. But I have uh I have a intro to fractal blockchains infirmment article that I wrote with uh with Claude that I that that I shared in the matrix space I could share as well. I also just shared the uh the toas's original article about respect trees and fractal blockchains on on peaked a high fork uh from from from a few years ago. So those are great like especially the fractal blockchains that's what is relevant now. I just shared their respect trees because that was relevant to our prior conversation from an hour ago. fractal blockchains. That's like a kind of a dense article. Like at first I didn't get it when DOS first shared that I was like this is interesting but I have no idea what to do about it and then I reread it like four months ago and I'm like wow this is amazing. This is fascinating. It's incredible. Um so the simplest explanation of firmament uh that I've drafted so far is uh firmament is a fractal blockchain which is a new kind of blockchain. So a fractal blockchain is a blockchain where the blocks are written by people not by computers. In a normal blockchain like Bitcoin, computers race to solve math problems to create new blocks every 10 minutes. Whereas in a fractal blockchain, a community of people meet every week or two, discuss what they want to do, and write down their decisions in a set of documents. That set of documents is the
42:43 block. It's represented in a git repository. And once the community agrees on what the documents say, the block is added to the chain. So as opposed to the block being all the transactions that have happened with money, the block is basically the collection of all of the documents that have been added. It can be markdown files or CSV files or PDF files or HTML files, websites or whatever. It's it's it's a git commit basically. Um so because the blocks are just documents um and files that people wrote and agreed on, anyone can read them, understand them, and verify them. And because the community controls it own blockchain, it's never dependent on any single computer system compon company or black or platform. So this uh git repository um every time that you make a git commit there's a hash which is secured by uh a cryptographic algorithm like shaw one or shaw 256 which basically creates a fingerprint a unique hash that represents what that g repository was all the documents in it at that time and what we do in firmament is um we have it where like say the edento council uh or some other consensus process will decide on you know what documents to include or what edits to make to a document uh for that term that for that period and then the hash the fingerprint of the git repository we posted on chain and we posted probably using the ordo app that we have the eden.frapsyz XYZ app so that community members can also vote on that to confirm that with their respect tokens as well. It's called a fractal blockchain. One of the reasons why it's called a fractal blockchain is because it's like the slow blockchain whereas most computers whereas most blockchains do transactions every minute block every minute or second or 10 minutes or whatever it is. Uh fractal blockchain operates like every two weeks or once every week um where there's a new commit but the commit can be published on any blockchain or 10 blockchains at one time. So that goes to the point that I was saying because the community controls its own blockchain. It's never dependent on any single computer company or platform or blockchain. It can operate across all these different blockchains. And if one system and because it's a git repository
44:50 that everybody can download on their own computers or host on different git platforms, they're not not depending on on the git hub or git um forage either. So if one system, one blockchain or one GitHub uh or one computer fails or get compromised, the community just moves its document somewhere else and the blockchain goes wherever the community goes. This is the architecture for fractal blockchains for the system that's called firmament which is an implementation of fractal blockchains and TAS has introduced this back in 2022 and we've been discussing here at Eden Fractal since then a little bit here and there and then over the past four or five months um we've gotten a lot more detailed into how this can work and how we can implement this. I suppose a couple quick analogies like one like a business like a business has like a a board of directors or a CEO who will like put out all the company policies and documents and mission and all those documents or like a government like the United States government will have like the constitution and it will have uh all the amendments and stuff like that. Um both these can be represented by a decentralized autonomous community like a fractal by using this kind of fractal blockchain system where you could have the community maintain all its documents. What is the Eden fractal constitution the intent document? How does the respect game work? What are the specifications? Um, etc. And it can be confirmed in this fractal blockchain with cryptographic provenence and this democratic process to determine what gets added or removed or appended to that git repository. Uh, and then I also have some ideas about how we could have like firmament chains, firm chains for different projects, like a firm chain for a book that we could work towards together or a firm chain for an app that we could work on together. Um so yeah um that's kind of like my pitch here. Um and so Todd wrote in newest ideas commit equals block and like as a legal body uh I would say it's not a legal body itself. I would say the legal body is still like the community which expresses a consensus via say the Eden postpectric consensus process where we just like to as a delegate or the oral where we have this onchain uh way to vote with our respect tokens. So the legal body is still the community but this is the um
46:53 the structure in which we publish what we come to consensus on and it will have all the respect scores on there independent many blockchain and it will have all the rules and systems and anything else we want to collaboratively create together there. So hopefully that helped to clarify it. I'm happy to share this little article if you'd like to.
Chapter 10 — 47:10
Gudasol builds on the idea, framing firmament as a growth mechanism with cadence and connecting it to Chris Barnes's human-layer vision, where a markdown file updated every two weeks could programmatically drive decisions about who gets funded
Is it all right if I rip on the idea a little bit? Yeah, absolutely. Um, so I I think it's great and I think that it's like I see it as a mechanism. Um, and the reason the reason I say it is like I think it's absolutely awesome, but it would need it would need still the motivation aspect and still need the money aspect for, you know, to get people to show up. Um, so how I'm sort of thinking of it or conceptualizing it based on limited information is like this is the way that you allow, you know, I said the legal body here, but it could be the community mandate or the, you know, a true decentralized organization to to form and grow because like, you know, money and and blockchains and transactions aside, like you're we're kind of throwing the blockchain on it. But what it really is is it's or how I'm conceptualizing it is it's like a a growth mechanism a with cadence. So there's a cadence that growth can happen every you know every meeting there's the opportunity to that a get commit is is pulled into the main uh the main head and then like anybody can open a pull request they or they can fork I mean they can create their own branch and then have a pull request for either part of their branch or to have their branch become the main branch of the repo. So, uh, just ripping on the ideas of how I see it's valuable. Like, I think that for legal stuff or even for corporate policies or for community policies, it's a it's an absolutely great way, which is is exactly what you're saying. Um, and I'm I'm seeing like how that could fit into the the thing that Chris Barnes envisioned of this human layer and then also what I'm envisioning of having the the fractals for different bridge tokens and offering like the social layer for other blockchains where the firmament
49:15 can be like okay this is the real way that the community is actually defined you know we know in code that this is what they're going for and then we and start to programmatically take actions based upon that. So if you have a repo and you're you're declaring, okay, we have this MD file, if you even format the header of that MD file, you can make it actionable from other code. So I could write a blockchainbased program that goes and reads every day from this markdown file, which is updated every two weeks, and then tells me who to pay, for example, right? If if one of those markdown files that's edited contains a list of who is paid or even if it was a more general sense like you could pay every person who has a piece of media in a media folder, right? So if there's an accepted resources folder that people have put effort into creating that opens up a vector that other people could read that and then assign economic value to it and distribute there. So um I love it. I don't want to kind of dive in anymore unless there's any sort of followup you want to do. I I do also want to go and and get back to to worky stuff, but super super awesome to be here and super awesome to keep into that. I feel like it's been too long. Um we've been working on our own things and it's exciting to get back together and and see you guys face to face and and learn what you're working on and to be here and share as well. So that's my that's my sign off and and thank you for explaining to me that how that works. Yeah, D that was pretty good. Uh that might have been better than my initial pitches few years ago when I first talked about
Chapter 11 — 51:08
Tadas raises the challenge of explaining firmament to organizations that only care about getting things done, and Dan suggests starting with the respect game as the foundation before introducing the deeper infrastructure
I thought it was uh pretty clear. My question is, how do you explain that to an organization that doesn't care about technology? They just care about getting stuff done. So, how do you explain to them why they need this great backend infrastructure? Well, first of all, I don't know if they need it. I would first of all generally try to figure out myself if they need it. I think it'll be useful for them in long. I don't think they need it right now. I think that uh first we have to kind of uh test it here. I think Eden Fractal needs it. I see many reasons why Eden Fractal can benefit from it. Um which is maybe a whole another topic. Um and then I do see a lot of benefits for nonprofits to use it, Eric, as well as other communities and businesses and stuff like that. Um but I think that'll be, you know, kind of like how you're right now at the stage of your explaining why communities need fractals or respect games or contribution circles. Um, and it'll go along the same process, I think, over time. I I I think they do, too. It's just a matter of figuring out, you know, who could benefit them earlier and how do we explain it to them. Yep. Yeah. Well, I agree like um starting with the respect game process is the right place to start because that's that's kind of like the foundation. Like the whole firmament doesn't make all that much sense. It it kind of makes sense actually just in sense of a nonprofit like the board of directors could just write to a firmament and they could have their like four to seven mig or whatever but it's not an MSIG but like their power to do this and cryptographically prove and make immutable records of what they decided and I think that's useful for all businesses basically in some ways uh but especially for fractals it's very helpful because then you can use the respect tokens to actually vote on these um like changes to the repository and stuff and obviously yeah we'll need to use different words like average person won't understand repos repository or or get so much. So, we'll need to figure out the best way to convey that messaging to them when the time is right. But I I think starting with respect game and starting with that ritual and getting people to enjoy the process and to see the benefit of the process is kind of like the main first step which I'm really grateful you're
53:15 doing. And then I think that we can test and pioneer firmament at Eden Fractal with people who will understand it more better. Uh and then see how well it works for Eden Fractal and then over time roll it out to more communities especially those who have already benefited from doing the kind of weekly kind of respect games or bi-weekly kind of respect games or contribution circles that that you've been pioneering.
Chapter 12 — 53:38
Eric shares a three-level model from his 1 Million Cups talk of keeping people engaged, understanding the organization, and then moving into decision-making, and notes firmament fits at the decision-making layer, while Dan explains that Eden Fractal itself most needs it to make its consensus process legible and to track decisions and fund distribution
So uh on uh yesterday um I presented to 1 million cups on the uh the next generation basically saying well the first time I presented was like how to get my doctorate done and need their advice. And I said well now I need your commercial advice of now that I'm finishing this thing what's next. So I presented a portfolio that talked about, you know, building culture, getting the team, but the next levels up on that slide talked about um decision making. And so that's actually where I view that it starts to fit in. You don't really need it so much before it's useful, but in the decision- making, I just don't know how to explain it yet. Yep, I agree. And I think also that's one of the things that I think Eden fractal needs the most for because right now we have this Eden fractal Eden plus fractal consensus process where we're making decisions about all sorts of things and we elect delegates and stuff but it's not very easy to understand. We have an article about it and it also has like a a page on GitHub about it that provides a specifications but like it's split up amongst all these different places and so people don't really it's not super legible or super accessible unless people really ask around and join the events. Uh and then once the Eden factor council makes decisions then it's on a Google spreadsheet. Um and so like we have this governance need that we need a uh a community consensus driven place like a democratic place to post our consensus and to explain who is the delegate and explain how these systems all work and to track all of our decisions. Um and so I think that this firm and process will help a lot with improving the Eden plus fractal consensus process and and the way that both we conduct it uh as well as the way that we keep track of all our decisions and then also there's a lot of need to like improve our make decisions about the kinds of apps we want to build or educational resources and so forth.
55:40 uh and this will also provide the infrastructure to do that and to have it saved where it's like immutable and has provenence and is cryptographically signed and stuff like that and it's truly democratic along with our principles and at the same time it also um is uh something else I was going to say there I last point [laughter] before that last point to me the first level is keep your people engaged connected and coming back motivated So it's really just focusing on people. The second level for me is okay now understand your organization. What are they doing? What do they want? What are they concerned about? That's the next level. And then it's well now that you understand the organization, what they're concerned about, what do you do about it? And that moves into decision making. So, it's people understanding and decision making is kind of what I've been kind of brainstorming of of how to sell that to people. Yep. Um I I agree. Um, and I'm I'm grateful that you're thinking of that, Erica, because I think that it's it's a difficult it it I mean, it took you some time to figure out the best way to message how to sell the respect game or contribution circles to people, and you had to go through several iterations and stuff like that. And so, I expect it will also take some time to do that. Were you saying something to us? Were you saying, "Oh," or something. Did you want us to jump in? No. Oh, or maybe Eric was saying I heard something. I don't know. Um so yeah it'll basically take some some time to figure out the right messaging for it but yeah I agree it could be helpful it will be helpful for governance as well as I saw in the chat uh Tadas and Gudas were talking about the process I don't know Tadas if you want to share that I'd appreciate that as well as Gudas if you want to unmute and talk about this stuff but you talked about money and I think this can also help with fund distribution too like I think Guda you had mentioned that this can help with in addition to decision-m like like how to how how to allocate funding is a
57:44 decision And similar how how Eric was saying uh how this can be helpful for governance after they get into that routine and the ritual and they're enjoying playing the contribution respect game. Um then then you want to learn how to make decisions and make decisions in this like democratic way and this way that is trustworthy and verifiable and stuff like that. And so I see that this firmament as a key piece. It's not the whole system, but it it it plays a key role that helps allocate funding. And that's something that nonprofits need to do as well. That's something that maybe you can message to the nonprofits that, you know, maybe board of directors or uh executive directors of nonprofits are like, I don't know how to fund these people. There's so many people. I don't know who's contributing what. Um this it provides a community directed way to recognize value and to allocate capital to allocate funding. Um and it provides in a way where it provides you know trust and providence that this is really what the community decided. It's not just some one guy who decided or something like that. Maybe that's one way you could message it. But I've been talking kind of a while. I'm curious. You guys have all thoughts. I see has a hands up. Yeah. I have to go already. Uh yeah and then let's catch up in the chat regarding coordination for for Yep. It sounds good. Thanks so much for being here with us. It's been fascinating speaking with you and uh yeah the the only thing I'll say is in that pitch I did get really good feedback on how people felt about that idea of understanding and so I got some insights on how they think about that. So that's helpful. I'm glad to hear and I look forward to hearing more about those insights and collaborating with you to figure out how to, you know, provide the right messaging and the right product um that will help people maximally benefit from these things. Thanks so much, Doss. See you. Happy anniversary. I hope I hope you sleep well. Um and I see Gudas had written some stuff. I don't know if you want to share anything or or
Chapter 13 — 59:42
Gudasol closes with sales wisdom drawn from Alex Hormozi, advising the group to strip things back to one layer at a time, surface an organization's real pain points, make the solution feel easy, and bring in the technology only once objections arise
Yeah, I do want to go because I know how these things can just you know roll on forever, but I'll have a formula and then I'm like a dramatic ultra. So yeah, like just I've just like I've really been focusing on sales all the last few years because I built all these incredible tech solutions and designed them um and just had such a trouble getting funding because people didn't understand it, you know, and I think that's the same thing that we're all dealing with. So uh with with easy like I was just like, okay, let's strip back everything and just work on one layer at a time, the financial layer. So, I I think that the firmament layer, I see the value in it. Um, but just kind of wanted to share my my little all the nuggets I've learned from watching every Alex Heroszi video I can get my hands on. Um, and that's like just just really focusing on Alex Hermosi is a great business guy on YouTube if you ever heard of him. What's his name? Alex Heroszi. Alex Hormosi. He's big. He's huge. He's like a Guinness World Record. most books sold at a live event. But yeah, he's he's great. But anyway, like my my thoughts there were like, okay, we'll figure out what the actual pain points of these organizations are in relation to that and then just like make it seem super easy and then whenever they raise the objections, which are like the but but what if type things, then you bring in the tech to to show that at the end. Uh so just just kind of throwing that out there. Um, I know it's probably too like small to have at the end to be helpful, but I will open up and say you want to DM me stuff. I love to just look at things and then give my business advice of how I think you can make it better for sales specifically. And I've gotten really into sales the last few years and I think it's really great and I love it. So, um, sorry, lifting a giant heavy plate. Um, so, so yeah, like that that was my last thing. And then I'm also gonna jump love you guys. And Eric also did you weren't
1:01:47 here for the invite, but I am holding like an antelope developers group. Um, I'm not sure if you're into antelope at all anymore, but you're more than welcome to go there. Our Twitter program is Antelope or sorry, Longhorn Antelope. Yeah, thank you for showing on here. And then I'm gonna I'm gonna say peace out guys. You're welcome. Love you too. Good as well. Thanks so much for joining and sharing everything. I just shared the interment article if you want to check it out too. I posted that in Matrix uh recently. So if you wanted to learn more about that, that's another place you could check it out. Um and thanks so much for sharing um the wisdom and the links to uh Alexi's stuff on sale. I think that's very valuable. So I really appreciate that and it was uh it's fantastic seeing you too. So So thanks so much for joining us um and all the work that you're doing with Fractals. Oh, Alex Hermmo. Hey, he came up when I typed in Hermosi. Oh, no, no, it's Hermosi. I My Z is broken on my keyboard. That's why that happened. Okay. So, anyway, yeah. And then I have another keyboard, so don't worry. Anyway, all right. Peace, guys. All right. See you soon. Peace. Thanks. Good. Have a great day. All right. We had some uh some excitement here at the end of the Eden Fractal 4y year anniversary. Eric, um thanks again for joining. I don't know if you saw uh Gosol's comments. He asked if you could share top three pain points we solved that helped them understand the main telegram group. I know you're busy uh with your um your research now and the analysis. So uh of course no need uh you don't have time for that. But if there's anything else you want to discuss here on the call, um, or any other comments you had on this, then I'd be happy to hear it. I could stick around a bit longer or we can wrap it up whenever you want as well. Uh, or if there's anything you wanted to, I don't know, share any quick reflections about Eden Fractal and its four-year anniversary too, that's welcome as well. Um, do you have any final comments or we'd like to wrap it up?
1:03:50 No, I think I think we're good. Thanks for uh being here and for what you do. You're welcome. Thanks for being here and thanks for what you do as well. And thanks for uh yeah, thanks for sharing all the updates. Um I'm really glad to hear that. I think catalyst for change or change catalyst or I don't remember the act name, but I'm career catalyst collaborative. Career catalyst catalyst collaborative I recall now. Yes. Okay. Well, I'm glad you guys gone well and I'm wishing you the very best with your research and the paper. Um, and I look forward to hearing your updates uh hopefully at the next event in two weeks. And uh really excited to collaborate with you going forward into Eden Fractals fifth year. Thanks so much for joining, Eric. All right, bye.
Chapter 14 — 1:04:34
Dan wraps up the four-year anniversary event, thanking everyone and looking ahead to Eden Fractal's fifth year
All right, see you. Uh, and I'll just say go fractals, too. Go fractals and go eating fractals. Thanks all and see you next time.