After another great game of Eden+Fractal, the group dove into detailed discussions about Perry’s proposal to provide delegates with editorial control of a sleek community news aggregator site - dNews.zone 📰
Here you will find information about Eden Fractal meeting 33 that took place on Wednesday, January 18, 2023.
- Proposals and Topics
- Perry’s Proposal for dNews editorial control
- Marco’s topic proposal on aligning interests with Eden
- Dan’s topic proposal on Eden Fractal mission statements
- Community News
- Brainstorming Sessions
- Announcements from Patrick
- Related Posts
- Eden Fractal Brainstorming Sessions
- Recap #20
- Eden Fractal 30
- Eden Fractal 31
- Eden Fractal 32
- ETH 33 - Hypha + Eden Walkthrough, EFBS 4 & more!
- Thanks for watching! Enjoy!
0:00 - Meeting Video Intro.
0:08 - Random small talk. Dan shows Consortium page with proposals from Perry, Marco, and himself.
3:39 - The group splits into 3 breakout rooms.
3:34 - Random small talk.
6:25 - Dan shares screen, speaks of new feature show notes on Eden Fractal site. Covering top stories. Article about brainstorming. Co-hosted Art Fractal, working on welcome guide with Vlad, Town Hall updates. Eden Fractal mission.
12:18 - CAC participated in EOS fireside chat, Eden Town Hall, had conversation w/ Dan, and trying to keep up with community happenings.
14:27 - Vlad meetings w/ Patrick. New fractal app, calls with Jesse, Dan. Started Notion page with Dan to be used as guide. Proposal to change multisig. Benefits of Eden token liquidity, pro and cons. Matthias call to discuss ZEOS Fractal.
18:30 - Eric focus on using Fractally with real people. Focus on art fractal, training, feedback. Story telling workshop launched. Trying to get documentation. Alien Worlds governance discussions.
21:51 - Pascal spoke of work on smart proxy social network. Bringing back project to encompass Daily member use. Personal project to launch Fractally process to another project, ThiagoRe.
26:23 - Dan asks Pascal how he sees relationship between ThiagoRe and Violet Garden. Using Hive and Violet Garden.
26:47 - Pascal responds to Dan, explains his project and proposal for next election.
30:10 - Dan responds to Pascal, reminded of Vlad’s comment for a liquid token made to possibly help promote work. Asks Pascal if he looked into BBS. Shares info with Pascal, more developed than Violet Garden. Shares BBS links.
32:16 - Pascal speaks to Vlad of what the Eden token could be like if it had value. Believes the Eden token would have value.
33:16 - Vlad replies to Pascal that Eden token has concrete utility as well.
47:19 - Victor comments that he’s here to listen and learn.
58:35 - Vlad shared link for consensus results. Return to Main Room
59:50 - Dan comments three topics in proposal agenda. Perry’s proposal would be first topic.
1:00:37 - Patrick comments he gave 2,000 EOS to Eden Fractal, mentions brainstorming session. Decided some of the funds will go to proposal proposer when passed.
1:02:16 - Dan thanks Patrick for supporting community and developers. Mentions brainstorming focus of multisig change, shares links. Custom permissions. Speaks of Lennie’s recaps to update and Dan’s show notes.
1:04:26 - Jorge mentioned possible problem with room two, confirms consensus was completed.
1:05:00 - Patrick reminds that brainstorming session used clarification, reaction and objection rounds. Was helpful.
1:06:35 - Dan thanks Gavriel for methods he proposed.
1:07:09 - Perry explains his proposal about dNews and Eden Fractal integration. Gives brief history of dNews. Chose Eden Fractal to decentralize media. Details his plan of what he proposes. Dan assists by sharing screen of dNews.
1:19:24 - Dan asks for clarification questions first, reactions next, shared screen in chat of Telegram group and Perry’s proposal.
1:21:21 - Marco asks what was the long range vision for dNews.
1:22:42 - Perry responds that focus is on EOSIO, Antelope, and Fractally. Discussed editorial control of all chains news, e.g, EOS, Wax, Ultra, UX, Telos. Gives more details about what he would like Eden Fractal to do.
1:26:52 - Dan reads questions from chat.
1:28:59 - Marco asks whether Perry is shifting responsibility from himself to Eden Fractal when publishing data on-chain.
1:29:06 - Perry responds to Marco. Explains disclaimer on dNews homepage. Dan assists by sharing dNews disclaimer.
1:31:56 - Marco asks whether or not dNews in going on-chain.
1:33:05 - Perry responds to Marco that dNews is not on-chain, but whitelist/blacklist would be on-chain.
1:34:34 - Lennie mentions editors could be held responsible, needs to clarify any legal responsibility.
1:36:45 - Dan reminds of time.
1:38:19 - Sebastian asks if there is a KYC process.
1:38:59 - Perry responds that at this time he decides on validity of posts.
1:40:55 - Sebastian gives similar situation that EOS Support had and problems that could ensue.
1:42:04 - Perry explains dNews is perpetually running, explains difference between EOS Support and dNews.
1:44:11 - Dan comments it is more of an aggregator than a publisher. Reads out Pascal’s message in chat.
1:47:12 - Pascal asks why does Perry want Eden Fractal to take this on, why not use fractal governance model on your own?
1:52:05 - Dan reads chat message from CAC about what guarantees does Perry have that this is really going to be decentralized.
1:52:30 - Perry responds that he will keep in harmony, but still retains the right to secede. Does not have veto power only power to secede.
1:54:32 - Marco explains his take on dNews. He suggests that dNews is an information gathering tool, but with editorial consensus, could lose that classification and become an intelligence tool.
1:58:01 - Jorge asks how many man hours Perry has invested in dNews and how many Eden Fractal would invest if the proposal is approved.
1:58:30 - Perry responds to Jorge.
2:01:14 - Jorge highlights relevance of this subject.
2:02:59 - Dan thanks Perry for his proposal, notes it’s past Cagendas time slot. Dan breaks down what he feels is Perry’s proposal, thinking it brings no harm.
2:05:36 - Tadas gives ideas on how this proposal could cause harm, taking up proposal time sessions. Gives scenario of what could happen negatively.
2:08:34 - Perry responds to Tadas.
2:10:44 - Dan reads out chats, comments on how long this would take. Dan responds to Jorge, scheduled hour of Cagendas time is over. Discussions can keep going, but proposal will not be voted on.
2:12:07 - Eric comments we only vote on conflict.
2:14:33 - Marco mentions curation as the meaning of this proposal, that we are a group of block chain professionals and that could be perceived as an endorsement.
2:17:30 - Eric explains his opinion on blacklist and whitelist.
2:18:15 - Patrick states he will vote no, explains why, prefers a DAO, must be on-chain.
2:25:03 - Perry responds to Patrick, believes there should be media asset control. Feels it would be perfect for Eden Fractal.
2:27:24 - Patrick asked Perry if he ever used Jesse Jaffe’s Bees swarm.
2:27:29 - Patrick responds that Eden Fractal has used swarms for the brainstorming sessions. Has problem with someone disrespecting other Eden Fractal members.
2:29:05 - Perry responds to Patrick.
2:30:45 - Patrick and Perry go back and forth in disagreement.
2:33:24 - Dan states it’s time to wrap it up. Reads out messages in chats. Great discussion. Recommends additional conversation in Eden Fractal Telegram chat or Eden Fractal Discord.
2:35:05 - Perry answers CAC’s question on reason for .zone domain and thanks everyone for giving him the time to express himself and explain his proposal.
Proposals and Topics
Perry’s Proposal for dNews editorial control
Marco’s topic proposal on aligning interests with Eden
Dan’s topic proposal on Eden Fractal mission statements
On January 17th, five community members met for the fourth Eden Fractal Brainstorming Session (EFBS) and shared insightful conversations about the eden.fractal account MSIG. Check out the video below to see how the session went. You can also find out more about the Eden Fractal Brainstorming Sessions here.
00:00 - Start
03:29 - Some context about the MSIG
04:39 - MindWeb MindMap Eden Fractal
09:35 - Clarification of the MSIG proposal
12:20 - Reaction - Dan
17:18 - Reaction - Tadas
19:38 - Reaction - Vlad
22:23 - Feedback - Dan
27:11 - Feedback - Dan
28:03 - Feedback - Tadas
31:31 - Reaction - CAC
33:42 - Feeback - Tadas
31:31 - Reaction - CAC
33:42 - Feeback - Tadas
35:10 - Feedback - CAC
35:48 - Feedback - Patrick
37:22 - Feedback - Dan
38:42 - Objection - Vlad
39:37 - Objection - Patrick
43:40 - A proposal's proposer can change his mind and redo a proposal
44:00 - Objection - Tadas
44:26 - Objection - Dan
44:52 - Objection - CAC
45:11 - Final touch about the process - Patrick
45:55 - Brainstorming - next steps
51:45 - Recap of the brainstorming session
54:59 - Time to conclude
Announcements from Patrick
Eden Fractal Brainstorming Sessions
The Eden community is in the process of reaching consensus to define its mission. This draft article curates discussions and proposals related to Eden’s Mission during weekly fractal meetings.
Curated short pointers and links from Lennie making it easier stay up to date on development within Eden Fractal. You can see more details about recaps here.
Eden Fractal 30
Is Eden Fractal's mission to foster collaboration and build personal connections amongst EOS community members? Talented newcomers join the Eden+Fractal games then we play cagendas! 🙌🏽
Eden Fractal 31
After a great game of Eden+Fractal, we play cagendas. Six topics were proposed and the council approved Gavriel’s proposal to try a Sociocratic Governance method for discussing proposals!
Eden Fractal 32
We discuss the MSIG. Vlad & Tadas release app updates. Patrick funds Eden builders. Eric launches an art fractal. Perry announces dNews plans. Go Eden! ⚽️
ETH 33 - Hypha + Eden Walkthrough, EFBS 4 & more!
Joachim shares an amazing presentation about Hypha's new features. Joshua, Lovejoy, Patrick, Mo, Lennie, Alex, and Eric share great insights. Go Hypha! 🍄
Music by Kjartan Abel. More details at EdenCreators.com/attributions