Eden Fractal MSIG, Part 2! After playing Eden+Fractal, the group engages in the second comprehensive MSIG conversation with three proposals to update the eden.fractal account permissions 🔐
Date: January 25th
Please note that these show notes are a work in progress and will be updated soon.
- Topic Proposals
- Vlad’s MSIG Proposal
- Dan’s MSIG Proposals
- Marco’s Topic for Aligning with Eden on EOS
- Marco’s Topic for Mission and Purpose Statements
- Dan’s Topic Proposal for Mission Statement
- Related Posts
- Eden’s Mission
- Eden Fractal Brainstorming Sessions
- Eden Fractal 32
- EF 33: Exploring dNews
- ETH 34: Town Halls, Antelopes, and Camazotz!
- Thanks for watching! Enjoy!
00:15 Dan opens meeting and welcomes everyone, then introduces Jorge’s topic
00:43 Jorge comments on need to promote long term thinking, needs a way to incentivize long term quality work
02:40 Dan congratulates Jorge on 20th Spanish fractal meeting. Responds to Jorge culture plays a big role, process to come to consensus
03:49 Gavriel comments on respect given on weekly basis, contributions have limited reach. Clarify why question in respect not given
06:06 Jorge explains his reasoning behind long term respect ,
08:49 Marco gives his comment on contribution
09:46 Eric comments future outcomes are important, extra thought process needs to be taken in account
11:11 Dan suggests this topic should be proposed. This weeks topic will be msig. Welcomes latecomers , gives quick update.
12:43 Breakout rooms 3
14:52 Eric comments that he takes notes during beginning, puts conversation in context to be able to rank it
15:43 Eric had leadership and governance talk, went to university talked about Eden fractal participation, initial discussions. Alien world grant application. Fallbrook weekly fractal. Helped get funding for developers for conference, link in Eden Fractal telegram
18:49 Vlad had first call with Mathias, Lennar with help build UI for Zeos, first iteration msig proposal, writing Eden fractal article for better understanding to newcomers. Capitalize on network message. Deployed first version of zeos contract.
22:57 Dan shares screen in his contributions, published Eden town hall, hosted town hall, made Eden Town hall website, details Town hall conversation. Working with CAC so he can help curate some of the articles that needs to be done. Refining website, curation. Moderator guideline page, conversation with Vlad. Article with msig, msig proposal. Shared Patrick thank you and support letter
31:31 Tadas shares screen updates on new telegram consensus poll, customizable, gives details on how it works, uses screen to sample shot procedure.
36:59 Vlad question Tadas, how groups are created
37:08 Tadas responds at this point they are manually created. Creates group now to explain further
37:39 Eric asks if consensus not done on first round you can reinstate poll
37:48 Tadas responds to Eric, yes, also you can retract or switch votes, or create another poll
38:05 Eric comments a moderator in each room could create the poll in each breakout room
38:11 Tadas responds yes, everyone else can use normal plan
38:26 Eric asks how to get all groups together if not published
38:35 Tadas responds right now no solution , just have a chat, in future way to integrate
39:49 Patrick shares screen, begins with mindweb, Vlad consortium tool, mindmap, brainstorming session. Explains how information is entered into mindmap, retaining history. Town hall mindmap, concazotts finca mindmap by Gavriel making new mindmap. Discord mindweb store service. Explains details. Using discord bot to extract what is used. Antelope workshop screen, interviews. Cd interviews, josh Seymour last interview. Promoting Eden fractal through swarms with eos bees. Thanks Dan for kind words in telegram
52:05 Dan mentions to Tadas he tried joining new telegram poll chat but says telegram unable
52:27 Tadas responds to Dan that he believes Dan is already in group, Tadas previously added names, replies are needed to request message
55:45 Testing Tadas new telegram poll for rankings , Ability to change vote.telegram plan differs on what you can see who voted
1:09:12 Return to community room
1:09:34 Dan welcomes JCA briefly explains eden fractal Procedure. Shares link for voting app,
1:12:07 Jorge comments JCA is a member of Spanish speaking fractal
1:12:44 Dan shared in chat link web app, Pasquale shared always check vote in eos explorer. Enough delegates to pass proposal. Shares screen of consortium page with proposals from Vlad. Add and remove on msig. Next proposal made by Dan increased threshold. Change in who ti remove. Shared Marco proposal seek to align interest with Eden on eos, the Eden fractal mission statement . Gives instruction to proposers, moderator will acknowledge hand raising, also gives direction if delegates want to make decision quicker they can send message in chat.
1:16:32 Marco commented on thresholds
1:17:27 Vlad shares his proposal, add and remove on msig, for owner and active, 5 signatures needed, low threshold, owner permission would be 6 out 11. This is temporary. Delegates would hold key in future
1:20:08 Dan comments this topic was discussed during last brainstorming session. Will share link. Opens discussion, clarification questions first
1:21:27 Marco asks Vlad on his comment of temporary. Is there an expiration date
1:21:30 Vlad responds no, once we have code to do automatically he will propose that
1:21:52 Dan adds previously discussed could be automatic delegate system, not sure when possibility will be
1:23:08 Vlad responds he hopes to have it done this quarter
1:23:14 Dan asks Vlad if he’s working on that now
1:23:17 Vlad responds it’s not part of first feature set but it’s still important
1:23:31 Dan agrees on importance. Tells everyone in case not familiar Vlad is building interface for Zeos and Eden fractal.
1:24:36 Patrick comments on the how , threshold, aligned with Vlad. Must be active contributing member. Who should stay, who to add.
1:26:45 Marco how hard would it be to make proposal have expiration date
1:27:02 Vlad responds to Marco , if we had expiration date what would happen
1:27:13 Marco comments it would go back to the way it was. Just wonders how hard it would be .
1:28:13 Vlad: it’s possible but what would happen?
1:27:31 Marco comments it could always fall to the original members. Just a back up plan
1:28:48 Dan responds clarification not clear what to add to count down timer. Secondly , current configuration. Currently secured with 6 people on modify. Dan started msig in June, set to first 6 people who were 4,5 or 6 ranks. Explains weights, who’s on owner permission and details on threshold currently.
1:33:01 Perry think people who are not participating should not be on the msig
1:33:02 Dan provides the difference between his proposal and Vlad’s proposal. Shared comments in chats on thresholds, super majority threshold. Advocates increase the threshold, make a custom permission.
1:38:13 Marco comments higher concern not enough people to sign, block chain government not meant for small groups
1:40:21 Dan says it’s a balancing game, balance of convenience and security. Maybe piece by piece , first decide who to add, who to remove then the threshold,
1:41:40 Vlad comments Dan summarized well, if smaller threshold they can pass things faster, if too high they harder to pass. Could agree to increase thresholds a little but wants to hear what other delegates think
1:42:47 Tadas thinks it might be harder to get msig signed if active permission to high
1:44:04 Dan comments that he proposed making a custom permission that has a threshold of 5, that permission is specifically for the reward weekly payout. Just as easy to sign that every week, the owner and active threshold could be higher for security.
1:44:44 Tadas unsure if owner permission may not need to do high.
1:45:32 Dan reiterates Vlads threshold proposal and Dans threshold proposal.
1:46:45 Patrick says there are many subjects in this proposal. Aligned with going step by step. Maybe we should address threshold at brainstorming session.
1:49:46 Dan agrees with Patrick, going step by step. Could display both proposals side by side, best to get more decided on brainstorming session
1:50:28 Pascal mentions it’s a balance game as Dan said. Thinks the lower threshold might be best
1:52:32 Dan has follow up question, current proposal does include James Mart and Felix. Vlad reached out to them and they are still interested on being on msig. Currently under discussion is only removing Chuck. Replies to Pasquale on pushback on a good fractal governance avoids status quo. But in sometimes status quo is good, not owned by random person, there are down sides. Thoughts on ideal weight.
1:54:38 Pascal believes thresholds 6 would be good
1:56:18 Vlad to mdd added it quick, each delegate could write preference in chat
1:57:37 Dan explains benefits of Eden. Fractal account re branding, if people weren’t there it is forkable
1:58:14 Dan follows up on delegate chats ,
1:59:02 Perry sees the dilemma on decentralize, but it needs to be balanced. Valid argument to keep thresholds on par. Distinction between thresholds, should be at least 2/3 plus 1. Asks is all code open source? Can info be posted.
2:01:18 Dan responds to Perry , Dan shares tooling and fit hub repository. Clarifies in all proposals, it’s below 2/3 plus 1. That’s one reason why Dan raised. Vlad shared git hub links.
2:02:45 Marco comments he’d like to vote,
2:03:50 Dan reads comments in chats, Tadas wrote custom at 5, active at 6 , owner at 7. vlad agreed with those numbers. Vote on who’s on msig.
2:04:51 Patrick suggests other Eden delegates consider supporting Eden fractal funding. Focus on who’s added, who’s deleted.
2:04:51 Patrick suggests other Eden delegates consider supporting Eden fractal funding. Focus on who’s added, who’s deleted.
2:08:45 Dan thanks Patrick, encouraging people to be inspired by Patrick’s example. Just vote on people for msig, Vlad wants to vote on level 5. Dan proposes who’s on msig. Open up to delegate vote.
2:11:45 Patrick mentions the people proposed to be added to msig, feels they have good intent.
2:13:24 Dan reads Tadas comment, no need to rush.
2:24:08 Tadas supports decision to pass it next time. At least add who to add or remove.
2:15:42 Tadas we over time proposal in fractal process.
2:16:21 Patrick clarifies what Tadas is saying. Encourages everyone to join Eden fractal brainstorming session.
2:18:05 Dan also encourages everyone to join brainstorm sessions. Some situations we can go over time to pass a proposal. Ask if anyone has objections to people who are being added to msig. Anyone have objections to adding Perry, Gavriel, Sebastian, Marco, Andrew and CAC. ?
2:29:48 Patrick has no objection
2:23:30 Dan asks if anyone else has objections or questions. Dan asks all prospective msig candidates if they all expect they can sign the msig transaction for weekly payouts. Thumbs up from Marco, Perry, Sebastian ,Gavriel, . Dan explains how the procedure works.
2:27:00 Patrick msig consensus should be rewarded at least same week as meeting. Video should also be published same week. Comments on later date proposals. 2:39:07 Dan agrees, will try and get videos out sooner, using some of his funding to pay CAC to have him help me get videos out sooner. Assuming no objections to msig new additions
2:33:06 Go Eden Fractal!
Vlad’s MSIG Proposal
Dan’s MSIG Proposals
Marco’s Topic for Aligning with Eden on EOS
Marco’s Topic for Mission and Purpose Statements
Dan’s Topic Proposal for Mission Statement
The Eden community is in the process of reaching consensus to define it’s mission. This draft article curates discussions and proposals related to Eden’s Mission during weekly fractal meetings.
The Eden community has been meeting for biweekly sessions to brainstorm solutions for improving weekly meetings. This draft article curates discussion topics and previous Eden Fractal Brainstorming Sessions (EFBS).
We discuss the MSIG. Vlad & Tadas release app updates. Patrick funds Eden builders. Eric launches an art fractal. Perry announces dNews plans. Go Eden! ⚽️
After another great game of Eden+Fractal, the group dove into detailed discussions about Perry’s proposal to provide delegates with editorial control of a sleek community news aggregator site - dNews.zone 📰
This week we discuss curating experiences, Eden Fractal, Antelope Workshops, CD Meetings, and Camazotz Finca - a regen co-living haven Gavriel is building in the Yucatán jungle! 🦜
Music by Kjartan Abel. More details at EdenCreators.com/attributions