EF 48: Signaling Alien Worlds
In our 48th meeting, we explore a pioneering proposal for Alien Worlds and signal our consensus opinion that Lisa & Duane should be custodians on Planet Eyeke ✨
Date: May 3rd, 2023
These show notes are an early work in progress and will be updated in the future. Enjoy!
Table of Contents
- Please Note
- Recommending Lisa and Duane
- Related Posts
- EF 47: Alien Worlds and Documentation
- Alien World’s ƒractal
Recommending Lisa and Duane
In this week’s Eden Fractal meeting we formed unanimous consensus that Lisa and Duane should be custodians on Planet Eyeke. Ten people people voted yes in the Consortium Poll (including all 8 current Eden Fractal delegates) and you can see the consensus posted on-chain here. You can also see the spreadsheet that we use to more easily see votes from each delegate here and the on-chain account where we post delegate elections here to see the full consensus.
The Alien Worlds proposal was the main topic of discussion during this week’s Cagendas game and it was also a frequent topic during our breakout room in the beginning of the video. You can see us reach consensus around 1:48:49 and view more comprehensive timestamps below. You can also view related show notes from last week’s meeting here ✨
More highlights coming soon!
0:10 Dan opens meeting, shares presentation. Recaps last meeting, mentions Lennies recap. Two proposals on agenda, alien world custodians proposal by Dan. Eos community discussion proposal by Pascal, should ENF burn eos EVM. Quick note, msig proposals behind, shared a plan to catch up. Lisa invited everyone to EOS ship channel and planet eyeke channel.
9:13 Patrick promoted a lot on Twitter antelope workshop number 20, Eden fractal update number 6 , eos bees workshop number 6, Eos den. Video coming eos nation, may 23 launch of EOS den, phase 1. Attended town hall. Worked with Vlad for eos den.
12:50 Tadas finished main functionality for proof of concept. Enough signatories it shows as being finalized. Working on next step, while project is called firmament, so community can own their own consensus. Gnome chimes in to clarify. Patrick jumps in to inform gnome of last video interview with Tadas explaining firmament. Noam questions Tadas whether it will work on ethereum as well. Dan comments on article to expand on Tadas firmament.
18:52 Noam mostly bring adding to chats, doing some polls
19:47 Gnome, introduces himself, quick background info. Came up with trust IBC protocol for antelope , deployed that in beginning of year. Last few weeks getting involved in alien world community. Elected custodian alien world, working with Vlad and Lisa to help alien world. Working with Michael Yeats of alien world. Looking to help fund building technology including fractal governance. Improved some aspects of the game, Data, aggregation, visual, building interfaces, etc
24:12 Lisa grateful to gnome and Michael doing so much, speaks about alien world messaging, exciting time going on, vision is great to see, lately inspiring people to go in chats. Looking to invite non profit professionals. Explore and learn, working on that. Custodian on planet eyeke this week. Launched registration this week. Dates will be set by registrant. Dropping microtrilliin on planet , different kinds of mechanisms, etc
29:48 Dan gives his presentation, launched fractal joy IO, building website. Went to consensus conference, promoted fractal joy at consensus. Built connections, proved firmament with EVM, spoke with Danny from upland, applied to speak at next meeting, applied for git coin grant. Hosted town hall, put up proposal for alien worlds. Working behind scenes with Vlad, Tadas, Rosmari. Shared links, followed with notion templates. Working on Cignals , participated in aquadac. Invited people from consensus to join Eden fractal
36:38 Tadas has question for Gnome, where can he learn more about how your IBC solution works, Gnome sends link in chat. Will add Tadas to notification channel
39:27 Tadas sends out fractalgram telegram and zoom chat Voting, level 6-Tadas, level 5-gnome, level 4-Lisa, level 3-Patrick, level 2-Dan, level 1-Noam- delegate-Patrick
50:15 Dan asks Patrick as delegate what he thinks about the proposal for alien worlds. Patrick responds yes
53:49 Gnome asks how many delegates will be in main Room,
54:15 Dan responds with delegate count. Delegate list is shared in live chat. Alien work Proposal will be first topic once back in main room. Also reminds everyone to vote in consortium so we can show this to Michael Yeats. Helpful to show a reliable data.
59:24 Noam asks gnome and Lisa, he thinks Duane has his own funding, he doesn’t really need Michael’s vote, right? Wondering how long the terms would be. Lisa clarifies who is running. Thinks asking Eden fractal to vote every week is a bit much.
1:02:35 Dan jumps in, commenting there’s a lot we can get into but best plan if for Eden fractal take it one step at a time. Proposals are being made for alien worlds fractal meetings. Possibly 2 planets for consensus games if it goes well
1:03:39 Lisa comments the community managers represent a lot of characters and animals, they have an interest, some may come to Eden fractal.
1:04:46 return to main room
1:05:16 dan comments first topic on agenda is alien worlds proposal. Will Share presentation of alien world proposal soon, Behind on msig, made suggestions to fix that. Shares proposal for alien worlds , should Lisa and Duane be voted custodians , goes over last weeks voting agreement. Gives summary , due to tech issues unable to complete vote last week. Shows alien works website , mentions Duane s alien world he hosted last year. Lisa out out message in telegram chat, Lisa hosting Eos ship meeting. Dan explains how Eden fractal can make recommendations , great opportunity for Eden fractal.
1:16:15 Patrick votes yes for this proposal, has to leave early. Congratulations to Lisa.
1:17:24 Dan explains delegates need to vote within next hour. Everyone is also welcome to vote, encourages putting votes on consortium. Dan shares link in live chat.
1:19:33 Perry is confused what this proposal is, exactly what are we voting on
1:20:07 Dan responds to Perry, shows proposal again. Details what the proposal is, using consensus process, sharing our opinions on whether Lisa and Duane should be custodian. Dan explains Michael yeats , creator and developer of alien worlds is interested in using fractal process to vote. Wants community more decentralized in voting. Gnome jumps in to clarify what we’re doing.
1:22:36 Perry still doesn’t understand, Gnome tries to clarify. Tries to explain it better to Perry. Perry asks why are we intervening in another communities election.
1:25:43 Dan jumps in, briefly responds to Perry explains it’s similar to what Perry wanted Eden fractal to do with d news. Explains the benefits, working on building fractal process for alien worlds. Eden fractal can be a service. Perry responds with no mission again, reflects a political agenda, personal relationships
1:28:08 Dan explains that this isn’t clear to Perry, will go into this later.
1:28:44 Eric agrees writing could be better, but he would be voting yes
1:29:28 Dan explains Michael is working with gnome on setting up IBC, automation in future. For now I can just send a telegram to Michael to let him know what consensus we came to. Discussion follows on how we vote on this between Dan, Lisa, Eric and Noam. Lisa explaining we have voting power.
1:34:11 Tadas issue here is we should be clear about proposal. In this case we are submitting an opinion. The vote is do we support Lisa and Duane.
1:35:22 Dan adds he was careful with wording, thought it was the best way to phrase it. Reads out comments. Pascal asking why we are voting on this, Perry about fractal governance. Dan explains the benefits for doing this. More people could attend Eden fractal, possible funding, helping another community. We can voice our opinions and request funding. Dan comments on mission that has been proposed
1:38:12 Perry asks about mission, thinks it’s number one priority. Give his opinion on why.
1:41:52 Dan responds to Perry, explains this is a huge opportunity.
1:42:46 Gnome comments that a vote has reached consensus. Disagrees with Perry about mission statement. Should look at this as governance as serving customers. Explains his perspective on this fractal process.we should be opportunistic to help grow this fractal. Reaching consensus doesn’t require us to have a mission statement. We’re not forcing people to take votes. At the end of the day, you’re trying to inspire interest. He asks Perry who are your customers that you feel you need this mission statement.his understanding is we’re trying to establish a framework process. This is a massive opportunity
1:48:49 Dan thanks Gnome, clarifies Eden fractal is different from initial fractally. Very much appreciates his thoughts and explanation. Shows grid for delegate voting, currently consensus is not set.
1:51:07 Rosmari voting yes, thinks it’s great that we can support Duane and Lisa, appreciates Michael asking us for our support.
1:52:02 Dan states Eric voted, reads out chat Pascal also voted yes. Consensus has been reached, shows screen again of who voted.
1:53:27 Tadas ideally we should express our votes in recording. Requests verbal votes.
1:55:17 Pascal voted yes based on faith of this community. Does think having a mission is important, we don’t need it today but we should have. Eden fractal is a community of community. We’re moving in the right direction. We need to define ourself as a dao.
1:57:57 Jorge gives his opinion on this poll, explains his reasonings. In summary suggests careful rewarding of proposal
2:01:51 Perry thinks it’s fair question to ask if anyone may be potentially compensated by this action. Lisa responds to Perry. Discussion on possible funding Lisa and Dan explain possibilities of funding. This proposal is just an opinion. People who get elected as custodians get funding to distribute as they choose to. Goes into details on what custodians can do. Potential rewards in the future. We’re voting as individuals in a group.
2:06:48 Gnome responds to Perry, to the question are you being compensated. In his situation he is pledging funds to help community. His intent is willing to invest his money to develop alien world and Eden fractal. Important as a group to recognize opportunities. Alien world is actually our first customer, wonderful opportunity. At the end of the day, it’s just a proposal. You don’t have to vote, don’t have to be too formal at this stage.
2:11:16 Dan reads out chats, great way to promote the fractal process
2:12:22 Noam fully supports the vote for Lisa and Noam. Responds to Jorge, we’ll need to vote every so often. We could vote for alien world delegate every week. Glad process is manual. Custodians can represent us in alien worlds. We need to figure out how often we want to vote
2:15:57 Dan is curious about next steps. Perhaps he will host town hall about this. Next week we can possibly Re propose
2:16:55 Perry comments on people being compensated thru this proposal, Dan responds to this. Perry comments individuals are being paid privately, it’s violating the integrity of our group in his opinion. Gives his opinion on these donations. Gnome chimes in to what he wants to fund, Perry goes on again about where funding should be going. Gnome responds to Perry, at end of the day this is a good example of how we can influence other communities. Some people are watching what we’re doing, they are interested in our project. Wording could have been more transparent, he’s much more interested in the outcome. Significant funds might be available for tooling, this is how things should work. You should be trying to get funding for your work. The guys at alien world have money and they want us to build it.
2:26:07 Dan responds time we’ve been on, almost 3 hours should start closing soon.
2:26:53 Jorge voted to approve this proposal
2:27:49 Lisa thinks most of you are aware that she invited many from alien works to come to Eden fractal. Trying to align these communities , to govern resources together. Exciting to see the growth. Details this grand experiment to integrate the best practices. The goal as Lisa sees it to get as many people as possible on the planet to see it. We need to fund this or that project to develop and improve. Glad fractally process is available to help with this project.
2:33:39 Dan jumps in to clarify, mutes Perry momentarily, asks Lisa to respond
2:34:22 Lisa explains we’ve all been recorded during fractally meetings and these questions were never brought up
2:35:24 Dan didn’t hear any threat from lisa, Dan reads out chat about Lisa and Gnome inspired to leave Eden fractal due to Perry’s action. Thinks Perry is being quite antagonistic, using words as bastardization. If funds are being sent to Eden fractal account that would be compromising the group. Sent link about fractally white paper. The actions you’re sharing are actually things that make our community less autonomous.
2:39:11 Gnome would like to discuss what we’re doing. Would like to collaborate with people. Doesn’t mind the antagonism, sometimes it’s needed. Need to discuss why it matters. There’s a big overlap between two communities, the two communities want the same thing. Wants to develop software that will automate a lot of these things that are happening right now. If you have proposals that may be needed he invites anyone to submit their proposal.
2:43:52 Perry thanks Gnome for his comment. Again repeats his point on the integrity of this group. Trying to get focus on mission and bylaws.
2:46:40 Noam gets aggravated with Perry , Perry responds
2:47:30 Dan responds to Perry regarding bylaws and missions, you can make a proposal. That’s your mission, not everyone else agrees. Hopes Perry will adjust behavior, it’s bad when others in community feel uncomfortable. We’re trying to cooperate and make experience possible. Perry responds with his feeling uncomfortable with people being paid outside of fractally. Dan commented your projecting your opinion on others, cuts off conversation with Perry
2:51:51 Rosmari expresses what she thinks about meeting, agrees with what Dan was saying. This is not personal, how we can work as a team. How we as a group can reach consensus faster. This is more to guide Perry, your derailing conversation to your thoughts. You’re probably better to make a proposal for your topic. Not sure if we’ve ever agreed a specific way to receive funding outside of group, what you’re saying is just your personal opinion. Does not see this as being brought up as being a problem. You mentioned you don’t see focus of our group, not sure how he can see funding as a problem. Your comments are conflict of opinions. Getting tired with mission questions every time, most of us in our hearts know what the mission is.
2:57:39 Dan thanks and agrees with Rosmari, best to start wrapping it up
2:58:15 Noam feels bad that Gnome, Lisa and Dan have to spend so much time listening to criticism that’s coming from a very small minority. Would like everyone to respond to his poll so that there is a signs, that tells others that this is a minority. Started vote on live chat, so people like Michael can see how many feel one way or another. It’s a way to send a message to people that want to help us.
2:59:51 Dan thanks and agrees with Noam. Appreciates that you’re aiming to help us maximize our time. We’re all learning , we have an opportunity to lead the way, come to consensus more efficiently. Ready to wrap it up, starts hat party. Any last words. Come together over hats. 3-2-1. Go Eden fractal!!
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