EF 36: Fractalgram, Cagendagram, and Proxies!
After Eden+Fractal, Tadas demos Fractalgram and the group explores how the new app helps communities cooperate. Then Dan shares a presentation about Telegram + Cagendas, Patrick shares a proposal for delegate proxies, and we conclude with love songs! 💙
Date: February 8th, 2023
Please note that these show notes are a work in progress and will be updated soon.
- EF 36: Fractalgram, Cagendagram, and Proxies!
- Telegram + Cagendas
- Delegate Proxy Proposal
- Interplanetary Unconference
- Spanish Speaking Fractal
- Related Posts
- EF 34: Updating the MSIG!
- EF Recap #29
- EF 35: MSIG Updates and Fractalgram!
- Thanks for watching! Enjoy!
Tadas demonstrated Fractalgram, an innovative telegram web app that helps communities cooperate with fractally or Eden style consensus meetings. You can watch Tadas’ introduce the new app and demonstrate how it works at 1:19:18. You can view the timestamps below to navigate thoughtful discussions amongst several community members for the following half hour.
As we shared in last week’s show notes, you can read learn more about Fractalgram by reading the introductory blog post, watching Tadas share the first demo during last week 34, and joining the fractalgram telegram group. The app features smooth integrations with the Eden Fractal web app and you can hear about on-chain compatibility here. The client side code is totally open source, which you can see in the Github repository. You can see Tadas announce Fractalgram in the Eden Fractal telegram group here. This week Pascal also wrote a new article about Fractalgram on ThiagoRe. More details coming soon!
Telegram + Cagendas
Dan wrote an article and shared a presentation about using Telegram for live chat during meetings instead of the Zoom chat. The article includes plans to start new topic in the Eden Fractal telegram group, use telegram polls to facilitate cagendas games, and various other benefits of using telegram chat during weekly meetings. You can read the article here and watch Dan share the presentation at 1:55:32.
Delegate Proxy Proposal
Patrick shared a proposal to enable delegates to select proxies (or alternate delegates) to help make community decisions if/when delegates are not available. You can see Patrick introduce this proposal at 2:03:39 and the community share feedback afterwards. This proposal was partially inspired by Marco’s idea to give one of his votes to Eric at 1:24:16 in meeting 35 and was the main topic of discussion the the 6th Eden Fractal Brainstorming Session.
Lisa introduced the Eden community to the Interplanetary Unconference that she’s organizing to foster innovation in Alien Worlds!
She introduced the Unconference planning sessions and invited the Eden community to collaborate in the beginning of the meeting (1:31) , then spoke more about her work with Alien Worlds at 19:29. Dan provided an introduction to Alien Worlds at 6:16, including links to AlienWorlds.io, the Alien Worlds Mindmap, and an article about Alien Worlds Fractal. You can watch the video of the first Unconference Planning Session that Lisa hosted with many cosmic community leaders on the following day and see notes from the meeting here. You can also explore timestamps from the meeting and collaborations with the EOS community in a new Eden Creators article. You can join the unconference telegram group and explore InterplanetaryUnconference.com to learn more!
Pascal launched ThiagoRe, a web3 social media platform for EOS & Bitcoin content that’s empowered by fractal cooperation. The blogging platform enables creators to share content and interact with communities while earning Thiago tokens through an innovative, decentralized ‘UpLove' system!
You can watch Pascal introduce the new app and explain the synergies with Eden Fractal in the breakout room at 0:37:39. He shares the screen and provides an overview of the website at 0:43:56. You can learn more about ThiagoRe by exploring ThiagoRe.info, reading the whitepaper, and interacting on the platform on ThiagoRe.com.
Spanish Speaking Fractal
Jorge shared exciting updates about Fractal Hispano during this week’s Eden+Fractal breakout room, including collaborations with Eden Spark and the Spanish Eden!
The Spanish Speaking Fractal is focused on bringing fractal democracy to hundreds of millions of spanish speakers across the world with the power of EOS. After the meeting, Jorge invited the Eden Fractal community to join the Fractal Hispano telegram group and several community members have been collaborating in both communities. You can learn more about Fractal Hispano by watching Jorge’s update, joining the community on telegram, following on twitter, and reading the pomelo grant.
0:00:13 Dan welcomes everyone, comments on conversations before recording, and previews agenda
0:01:31 Lisa talks about proposal for Interplanetary Unconference and Alien Worlds. Gives details on first unconference planning sessions
0:04:27 Dan provides an intro to Alien Worlds, and Lisa and Duane’s involvement with the Alien Worlds Fractal. Confirms times and dates on Unconference planning sessions: 1600 UTC. Dan shows Patrick's Mindweb for Alien Worlds and Eden Creators article about Alien Worlds Fractal. Eric doing center for governance with Alien Worlds. Dan then recaps last weeks meeting, proposal approvals. and highlights: Fractalgram, msig proposal, msig article, brainstorming session. Then he provides an overview of topics on Consortium: Top topic is Fractalgram, Tadas will introduce this new app. Dans proposal using telegram chat, Patrick proposal proxy for delegates.
0:13:23 Break-out rooms begin!
0:14:12 Jorge offers to moderate room
0:15:57 Rosmari gave update on contributions, conversations with Dan, helping with working on welcome letter with Dan. Focusing on welcome guide to grow community
0:19:29 Lisa is primarily focused on Alien Worlds and connecting Eden community
0:21:24 Pascal asks Lisa about governance distribution in alien world, Lisa responds with details
0:23:03 Marco asks if there is Twitter or Telegram for alien worlds. Lisa responds to Marco. Marco asks Rosmari information on welcome letter. Rosmari responds to Marco, any suggestions welcome
0:26:51 Jorge asks Rosmari for clarification on her welcome guide project
0:26:57 Rosmari replies to Jorge on idea being formed, hoping to expand into social media, beginning stages.
0:30:18 Jorge shares his work with the Spanish speaking fractal
0:32:19 Dan asks Jorge about Linux developer to Jorge community
0:32:43 Jorge responds to both Dans and Marco’s questions.
0:34:19 Dan asks Jorge about collaboration with different spanish Eden entities, asks Jorge to share collaboration status,
0:35:06 Jorge replies to Dan, gives details about Spanish Eden communities
0:37:39 Pascal announced ThiagoRe will launch tomorrow and gives details how it works. He also published article on Fractalgram in gofractally community and hive. Plans on using this tool with ThiagoRe for a fractal cooperative council to help make community decisions
0:43:08 Dan asks Pascal for article link for fractal gram. reminds of time left. Encourages screen sharing
0:43:56 Pascal shares screen on Thiago Re and gives more details. Marco asks about content
0:49:06 Dan gives presentation about his work and provides details about contributions
0:54:36 Marco shares his work and provides details about contributions
0:59:18 Dan explains using fractalgram for voting and shares link. Gives direction, starts voting
1:12:52 Welcoming everyone back to main room!
1:13:38 Doug comments he’s planning on using Eden Fractal software, optimistic about technical solutions, look fields to next fractal off shoots
1:15:48 Dan shares links to web app for consensus and delegate spreadsheets
1:16:34 Eric shared an interesting conversation empower individuals in the group, prepping culture
1:17:32 Dan shares screen on topics, fractalgram app by Tadas. Telegram chat topic by Dan, delegate proxy topic by Patrick. Adds other topics in chat as well
1:19:03 Tadas shares screen of fractalgram, give introduction. Gives details and step by step overview
1:24:56 Dan shares fractalgram link in chat
1:26:02 Tadas adds more details using telegram group
1:27:08 Jorge thanks Dan for direction, question to Tadas how easy to report to another tracking app
1:28:10 Tadas states it would have to be done from scratch, explains if using another service than telegram
1:31:27 Patrick shout to Tadas for the beautiful app. Some things not seen on poll when voting, anonymous voting, timer possible?
1:33:43 Tadas replies to Patrick, count down is right idea but would do after telegram move, anonymous vote is possible, details possibilities.
1:36:05 Douglas commented on what he liked on original fractally was clarification. How a quick discussion could be structured.
1:38:28 Dan added he asked Tadas about relationship between what he’s building and the tool Vlad is building with Mathias and Lennar similar to WebRTC system that fractally was building. Possibly they are using this and that might achieve what Douglas was talking about.
1:39:42 Marco adds his comments to discussion. Let group come to consensus on its own.
1:41:08 Perry comments overall this is a huge step forward. But what if app has an affinity?
1:42:26 Tadas is of same opinion of Marco that it’s up to breakout room to determine how they reach consensus. As of right now it’s not a proposal, just a tool for anyone to choose if they want to use
1:43:42 Perry further questions the tool: who controls it? Is it open source?
1:44:28 Tadas responds that the tool is totally open source, single phase application, easy to deploy. Explains it just a regular poll, creates a regular telegram message.
1:46:43 Dan clarifies Perry’s questions. Shares screen on Tadas tool which provides details and instructions
1:48:08 Tadas answers Perry’s question on how to verify where tool is coming from, tool does not determine consensus, just helps us reach it.
1:49:39 Marco states if you know the accounts it doesn’t matter.
1:51:41 Jorge wonders if it’s possible to remove the name of person chosen for number 6, because after vote all 6 people are still remaining for level 5 vote
1:52:03 Tadas responds- good question, would be a bit of work to do. But also wants the ability to change vote at any time
1:53:16 Dan reads Vlad’s comment that is also an option to manually delete users. It’s also built it that someone can’t be voted twice. Dan comments on Fractalgram conversation
1:55:32 Dan shares a presentation about using telegram chat during meetings, facilitate cagendas with telegram polls, and details benefits of using telegram chat instead of zoom chat
2:03:39 Patrick introduces his proposal, intent with proxy. Ability to choose proxy for voting when unable to attend. Mentions brain storming session and it’s function.
2:10:24 Dan states we’re at the hour and suggests voting on Patrick’s proposal
2:11:08 Marco comments he’ll go with caveat that all delegation is done within delegate hour.
2:11:24 Dan thanks Marco for interesting point and asks other delegates if they want to show support for the proposal
2:12:09 Perry asks if we’re deciding to consider, where are we going to talk about it, and what is significance of discussion. If it talked about in brainstorming session does that make the decision. Questions brainstorming discussions
2:14:02 Dan concludes the hour of cagendas and proceeds onto general discussion. Reads chat
2:15:25 Patrick responds to everyone on what the goal of brainstorming session. Gives details on intent, how it is meant to help. Clarifies how it started.
2:21:23 Dan thanks Patrick for hosting and organizing brainstorming session, not replacing Eden fractal sessions. Feels what Patrick is not compromising Eden fractal. May feature town hall to help facilitate these discussions. Asks for live chat feedback
2:24:25 Marco loves idea of live telegram chat. Blockchain comparison to flight plan, blockchain finalizes, when it goes on chain it’s done.
2:28:05 Dan thanked Marco for aviation analogies.
2:28:39 Perry responds to dans proposal to start using telegram, thinks it’s a great idea. Comments on brainstorming sessions, not against concept but thinks same rigor should be applied to those meetings. Clarifies his opinion
2:30:52 Dan responds to Perry, opportunity to host more meetings, increases Eden Fractal awareness. Dan clarifies his thoughts on brainstorming session. Delegates vote the way they want.
2:33:46 Patrick and Perry have discussion on brain storming session.
2:39:22 Douglas is very interested in what’s going on now. Suggest think about better way to communicate thoughts.
2:44:32 Marco regardless of the nature, brainstorming is needed. No decision making, just exploring ideas.
2:46:02 Dan suggests starting to wrap up, often times some stay on after recording. Appreciates everyone bringing so much value. Asks If anyone has final words.
2:47:46 Perry feels this is a huge topic, goes on and on about his thoughts on brainstorming sessions
2:49:46 Douglas feels there’s always going to be a level of centralization, up to us to decide the level.
2:55:12 Dan mentions upcoming events, thanks everyone for attending, starts end of meeting
2:55:55 Patrick reminds everyone 1900 UTC there is a CD meeting number 4 on this Friday with Yves La Rose The group concludes the meeting with a go Eden Fractal and lots of love! 💙
Eden Fractal MSIG, Part 2! After playing Eden+Fractal, the group engages in the second comprehensive MSIG conversation with three proposals to update the eden.fractal account permissions 🔐
Curated short pointers and links from Lennie making it easier stay up to date on development within Eden Fractal. You can see more details about recaps here and join the telegram group for quick updates each week.
Tadas releases the new Fractalgram app and the delegates approve two proposals to reconfigure the eden.fractal MSIG! The new configuration includes six new signatories, smart time delays, and a custom permission! 🔑
Music by Kjartan Abel. More details at EdenCreators.com/attributions