EF 40: Firmament, Albedo, and Emergent Missions
On git, blockchains, and IPFS. After playing Eden+Fractal with Fractalgram, Tadas presents brilliant technical visions to empower communities with Firmament & Albedo 💫
Date: March 8th, 2023
These show notes are an early work in progress and will be updated soon!
Table of Contents
- EF 40: Firmament, Albedo, and Emergent Missions
- Please Note
- Pomelo Grants
- Funny Hat Party
- Related Posts
- EF 39: Using Notion as a Collaborative Tool
- Eden’s Mission
- EF 38: Vision, Mission, and Agreement
- Thanks for watching! Enjoy!
Tadas shared a detailed presentation introducing Firmament, a revolutionary system for empowering communities with fractal cooperation and unprecedented independence!
Firmament combines elements of git, blockchains, and IPFS to enable communities to reach consensus on all types of information relevant for communities. Upon release, communities will be able to use Firmament with EVM compatible blockchains to determine community respect, websites, and files with minimal dependencies on external infrastructure providers.
You can watch Tadas share the presentation about Firmament at 1:12:13 and thoughtful discussions from community members for the following hour. You can learn more by reading the slides of the presentation and see an early design of the app here. Discussions also continued after the meeting in the live chat, where you can read insightful messages between Marco and Tadas. You can also watch Tadas’ recent interview with Patrick about Firmament here.
Firmament is closely related to Albedo, which an innovative research initiative that Tadas is building to help communities cooperate. You can learn more about Firmament and Albedo on the Albedo Pomelo Page and see frequent updates of progress here. Lastly, you can learn more about Albedo in this Eden Creators article and learn more about a related app from Tadas called Fractalgram.
At the beginning of the meeting, Dan shared a presentation featuring some pomelo pitches and encouraging support for community members who are helping people cooperate with fractal consensus games. You can watch the presentation to see brief introductions to several Pomelo grants from community members, including Albedo, Eden Creators, The Recaps, Spanish Speaking Fractal, and Briefs.
Several community members also shared their grants in the Eden Fractal telegram group. For example, Dan shared a thoughtful post about tremendous opportunities to create benefits by supporting fellow community members and Jorge shared a great post to help the SS-Fractal get familiar with the richness of the EOS and Eden Fractal communities.
Funny Hat Party
After two hours of fascinating conversation, PatNovaJoy donned a black hat and sang some lovely music to help us close out the meetings with lots of laughs. You can watch the fun times in all their silly glory with Noam, Douglas, Patrick, Joe, and Perry at 2:47:02. The experience brought back memories of meeting 28, when we spread holiday cheer wearing hats at the end of a very eventful year!
0:11 Dan welcomes everyone, recaps prior to recording.
1:39 Douglas getting started with aqua dac academy fractal, meetings every Tuesday focusing on self development. Still practicing but open to more people to join. Sharing links
2:52 Dan thanks Douglas for initiative, thanks Rosmari as well for her involvement. Looking forwarding to learning more and suggests creating a topic for next meeting discussion. Dan shares presentation with show notes, topics, and recaps meeting 39. Today’s topics are Firmament and Albedo, Eden fractal participation agreement, mission statement. Promotes Pomelo grants and encourages support for community members. 9:39 Breakout rooms begin
11:22 Marco did the timeline, going real quick. Doesn’t want only his perspective.
15:28 Lennie spending time to make more effective use of recaps. Election rooms with problems.
16:48 Tadas working on presentation for Firmament. Participated in numerous discussions for eden.
18:43 JZA wants to compile history on EOS, continuation of the community. Researching what happened
20:45 Marco responds to JZA , putting together news article for 2+ years, sends link to JZA, hoping it may save time
22:11 Vlad working on 2 areas, one is Zeos. At the stage where contract is deployed to main net. Configured account, will try triggering actions. Thinking about how to decentralize contracts. Goes into details on processes. Coding smart contract, will start testing in background.
29:07 Dan shares screen, details this weeks work. Show notes, high lights Eden fractal, hosts eden town hall, trying to get funding to hire some help, post proposals mission abd participation agreement. Working with hypha and alien worlds communities. Details conversation with perry, code of conduct inspiration. Proposing standards for code of conduct. Dispute resolution, using more equal animals and a resource. Community stories podcast with Rosmari,
34:58 Joe reached out to Dan, looked at Rosmari article, on crown call. Familiarizing with what everyone is doing. Went thru Rosmari welcome letter, thinking about aliens worlds, upland connections. Try and figure out way to connect, project of tree and water power, Fibonacci sequence
39:44 Dan interested in hearing more about Joes connection ideas, tree water, power.com.
1:00:43 Dan and Marco had discussion on emojis, avatars, marketing
1:05:00 Return to main room. Dan encourages everyone to make polls for topics to discuss. Dan shares screen briefly explains Tadas topic which has the most votes, how firmament can empower Eden fractal. If we have time second most topic votes are tie, dan proposed Eden fractal participant agreement and mission proposal, same proposals from last week.
1:08:53 Tadas warns his presentation may last more than 5 minutes.
1:12:13 Tadas begins the presentation about Firmament. The goal of this talk is to share understanding, how firmament can help Eden Fractal and other communities. Key components are hash functions which take total data, enables unique identification, content addressing. Using content addressing links pieces of data. Tadas gives very exact details on this works. Hash linked data structures storing files, directories. Final piece of system is Git, this commits track history to file system. 1:18:48 Tadas summarizes his presentation and Dan asks Tadas to briefly summarize in layman’s terms.
1:20:36 Tadas interacts and answers questions to Dan and Noam.
1:23:01 Patrick thanks Tadas for presentation. Reminds everyone of upcoming Eden fractal update 5. Asks Tadas if he can provide 2-3 sentence about firmament
1:24:44 Tadas responds in the future he will try to explain firmament better Using analogy. A simpler explanation in laymen’s term. Tadas tries to make it easier to understand.
1:26:43 Perry comments his understanding that it appears the mechanism that link blockchains literally change blocks to insure integrity of the blockchain. But asks how it applies to Eden fractal, what are you trying to apply this content to
1:27:55 Tadas replies he will come to that but wants to continue summarizing. Tadas continues his summary, key part of presentation , network of blockchains , uses IPFS focused on enabling communities to track history of their consensus process. As well as keeping track of documents. Can also be explained in git terms, smart contract subset of git like model.
1:34:05 Tadas continues explaining firmament in blockchain terms, does not require infrastructure to run it. Details how it works.
1:35:59 Dan comments on the slides, showing same page. You say that when firmament page was up, then hash linked data page comes up. During this time frame Tadas was trying to repair slides, Eric, Patrick both commented on what problems could be
1:37:58 Tadas quickly goes thru the slides to update everyone. Main usage for firmament that Tadas is most excited about is track and consensus directory. Enables a naming system at zero cost and no dependence on any external service. can contain links. Naming system can be community controlled. Gives additional details.
1:44:22 Dan thanks Tadas for great presentation.
1:44:50 Noam commented presentation could have been clearer, but it was made clear when slides were moving correctly.
1:46:15 Jorge asks Tadas if he could forward google doc links, Tadas responded yes
1:46:59 Dan reads questions from chat, Rosmari- could you explain why we’d need our own naming system.
1:47:17 Tadas responds to Rosmari, short answer is it will allow us not to depend on another platform. A decentralized organization
1:48:22 Vlad comments: nice presentation, one question, could you say firmament is needed because you don’t like security of current blockchains that have smart contracts
1:48:48 Tadas says you could make that argument but that firmament is useful without argument can be used in their browser without using any block chain Acct. Firmament can increase security for most DAOs. Based on dan Larimer at works.
1:50:13 Dan says he understands that basically you don’t need to control platforms, just need the ability to name platforms. Will allow Eden fractal to put their open source tools on any blockchains, enabling mobility , Dan asks Tadas if he has that understanding correct
1:51:22 Tadas responds to Dan , yes that’s the right way to think about it. In addition the same applies to using any kind of infrastructure
1:52:28 Perry comments that one question has been answered, similar to what Dan Larimar has done. Effort to decentralize the hosting attack service. But how does it relate to our mission
1:54:29 Tadas responds to Perry, can be used to achieve our vision or mission. Responds the data cannot be stored in names. Technical conversation between Tadas and Perry. Types of data , storing. Using a naming system, the ability to switch what that name points to, change provider when necessary.
1:59:04 Dan jumps in allow others to ask questions.
1:59:44 Tadas resumes conversation answering how storing data is automatically saved. Most important part of data is communities own their consensus process. Gives analogy to explain why it’s needed. Main features Community owns it own chain
2:02:29 Dan reads out chats. Dan has 3 questions, 1 - why is it called firmament, what is the timeline, and how can we help
2:03:44 Tadas hopes to have something community can test in 3 months, will gladly welcome anyone who wants to help developing this, anyone that wants to help sharing info, also pomelo donations. Regarding name of firmament, it comes from a lot of confirmations, something confirmed
2:06:51 Dan reads out Jorge comments, dan shares albedo slides
2:07:51 Patrick comments everyone should help, donate to Tadas project on pomelo. Mission to help other circles.
2:10:48 Dan agrees, encourages everyone to support each other on pomelo.
2:12:06 Jorge thanks Patrick for donations. Comments on Spanish speaking fractal. Had an epiphany on mission, gives commentary on his thoughts on mission. A mission can be too restricted, promote instead to have short time projects
2:16:52 Dan comments on Jorge’s comment, appreciate Jorge sharing
2:17:55 Patrick thanks Jorge, to bring back simplicity
2:18:48 Douglas commented he resonates with what Dan was saying and appreciates what Jorge said, mentions new Aquarius fractal , leaning towards individualism
2:19:58 Perry comments on Jorge’s elegant argument. Perry’s reality is we have centralized force, comments on his opinion on mission
2:23:23 Tadas comments he doesn’t think Jorge was talking about a directionless community as Perry suggested. He was talking about creating a mission but allowing ourselves to change it. Gives an analogy.
2:24:26 Dan reads chat, Disagrees with Perry’s comment, Dan comments how we’re all moving in same direction
2:25:34 Lennie comments missions changes, find the seed to nurture to become DAO of DAOs. We all have different missions
2:26:40 Dan gives his comment on mission, collaborate, public goods. Everyone has their own mission.
2:29:09 Joe shares we’ve been working on mission, thinks getting a mission down even if it’s vague it’s a good thing.
2:30:09 Dan agrees with Joe, gives his reason why it’s good to come to a decision, using it as a prompt, goal of the game. Specific goal of the mission is the goal of the game. Helpful mission creating public goods, collaborating
2:32:24 Eric thinks the key is not whether they have a mission, but is the something the community agrees to.
2:36:01 Patrick comments we create consensus, share tools, combine our powers together, create the best experience possible of this Eden fractal, create collaboration, Eden fractal is the catalyst,
2:39:54 Dan share’s visuals, Eden creators, EdenFractal.com , thanks to Tadas about albedo and firmament. Encourages everyone to support community members on pomelo. Upcoming shows, follow Tadas work, gave links. Aquadac
2:47:02 Patrick sings Eden Fractal song, a bit of silliness going on Go Eden fractal!!
A brilliant research and development initiative to empower communities with fractal cooperation!
How can Notion help us cooperate? After playing fun consensus games, Rosmari presented inspiring ideas and we discussed tools for collaboration! 🧱
The Eden community is in the process of reaching consensus to define its mission. This draft article curates discussions and proposals related to Eden’s Mission during weekly fractal meetings.
What do you see in the future of Eden? We discuss our vision, two proposals for our mission, and a proposal to add a participant agreement to the community account! 🤝🏽
Music by Kjartan Abel. More details at EdenCreators.com/attributions
Thanks for watching! Enjoy!
Please note that these show notes are a work in progress and will be updated soon.