EF 64: Changing Community Keys
How can communities create order while increasing independence? We endeavor through the wild to determine the configuration and key holders for the eden.fractal msig account 🔐 🐵
Date: August 23rd, 2023
Table of Contents
- Updating the Community Account
- Respect Game Recap
- Related Posts
- Previous MSIG discussions
- EF 63: Talking Topics and Jitsi!
- EF 62: New Topics Game!
- EF 61: Growing Communities
Please Note: These show notes are an early work in progress and will be updated in the future. Enjoy!
Updating the Community Account
Hey all! In this episode the group talks about community keys, permissions and configuration for the eden.fractal msig account. MSIGs, or multi-signatory arrangements, are a vitally important and profoundly helpful tool that enable communities to flexibly share permissions for actions on community computers (such as EOS or Ethereum). You can read more on what is an MSIG in this article: edencreators.com/msig, along with notes on all previous msig discussions.
The group voted the topic on updating the msig as a leading discussion for this episode, after Patrick and CAC requested to be removed from the msig recently. There was a highly engaging collaborative approach amongst players on ways to optimise the MSIG’s current structure. The exciting discussion lasted for over an hour between at 1:05:53 - 2:31:39. For more details, further below are some msig focused highlights, along with timestamps.
During the meeting, Dan introduced MSIG as one of the four topics to discuss. Tadas suggested changing the owner permission, whilst also considering that Vlad’s solution may not address MSIG signing problems. Dan and the team talked about Vlad’s newly developed app, which includes automatically updating MSIG permissions and reward disbursement Tadas, Dan, Rosmari, Perry and Joe agreed that priority should be to change owner permissions. Jorge and Noam brainstormed various technicalities to consider when making future proposals.
The group agreed on the desire for a concrete proposal, which will be proposed and discussed during the next meeting as part of the fractal process in Consortium. Consortium is a tool that Eden Fractal members use to propose, upvote and choose topics during EF meetings. Towards the end of the meeting, Dan presented a spreadsheet showing members’ respect in the past few weeks, which in fact, is a spreadsheet that was used during the Eden Fractal anniversary. Finally, the participants discussed next steps on when they’ll reconnect again with the aim to reach consensus on updating the structure of the msig.
Respect Game Recap
Alongside the main topics, there were exciting contributions, such as Tadas on Firmament at 7:17, Marco on IBC, EOS respect chat, EVM, and Hypha DAO at 10:07, Dan on hosting Fractalien Worlds, collaborating with Joe on Upland Fractal set up, Msig updates, and testing Jitsi at 19:01, Jorge on a recent proposal with Vlad for Fractal system implementation at Eden on EOS meetings at 26:17.
0:09 Dan opens meeting, gives presentation, shares screen. 4 Topics made by Dan, updating MSIG, Jitsi project, Optimism , topics game. Vote to prioritize.
2:50 breakout rooms
4:08 discussion on topics between Dan and Tadas, also msig
7:17 Tadas, main contribution working on firmament, cross chain dao, not coupled to any single chain. Tried getting feedback on why some not participating in EF.
10:07 Marco talks about IBC, eos respect chat, newsletter, EVM, hypha dao and governance. Comments Eden fractal is not getting the credit it deserves
19:01 Dan shares screen and gives presentation. Msig updates, hosted fractalien worlds meeting, test Jitsi, notion product to organize, optimism, proposed topics game. Looking into grants in optimism system. Fractal cooperation. Sent out anniversary rewards. Aquadac meeting, collaborated with Joe for Upland Fractal.
26:17 Jorge comments on absent EF attendees, shares screen proposal for Eden on EOS in collaboration with Vlad
32:07 Dan explains funding funding opportunities in Optimism
35:00 Tadas instructs Jorge on setting up fractalgram
47:01 conversation on Eden on eos and Eden fractal mixed feelings Consensus level 6-Jorge, level 5- Dan, level 4-Tadas, level 3-Marco Delegate-Jorge
56:38 Return to main room
57:22 Perry comments that Rosmari gave a group a lesson on Fractalgram, Dan commented that Jorge learned Fractalgram in his room
59:43 Joe, Dan and Rosmari talk about Eden fract test, comments when 4 only in a room.
1:00:51 Joe shares his screen, problems with submitting consensus using anchor/wombat. Dan explains ways to fix
1:05:07 Noam and Tadas on features of Fractalgram
1:05:53 Dan shares screen, Cagendas, 4 topics proposed- msig update, jitsi, optimism, topics game. Notion data base. Patrick and CAC requested to be removed from msig. Vlad almost ready with automatic msig. Shares info on Vlads automatic msig proposal from EF 44.
1:17:29 Conversation on msig visibility, features of Vlad’s software
1:21:55 Dan, Jorge and Tadas talk more about Vlads app, EF funds left in treasury, about msig permissions, how much to change current system, owner permissions still need changing,
1:31:32 Discussion on immediate improvement, moving to automatic msig and concerns, who can change owner permission, timeline for Vlads solution, Perry on feeling more comfortable in signing the msig
1:42:44 Dan gives a high level overview of Vlads new automated app, still a need for owner msig for changing other things.
1:49:19 Tadas, Dan, Jorge, Joe and Rosmari on current priority of changing owner permission, details on Patrick’s decision of no longer joining
1:54:16 Dan suggests taking vote on updating msig, pretty sure current owner msig will sign. Asks who’s interested on being on owner msig and suggestions on number of msig people
1:59:15 Jorge, Dan and Tadas on overstepping our own rules, vote for ownership needs to be on change, next steps on preparing proposal which will go on Consortium, people with owner permission have to approve this change
2:02:05 Tadas comments we should try to approve new ownership permission by next week, technically we don’t need delegate votes on this but it might help to convince non participators to agree to sign.
2:03:17 Dan reads out chat on 5-8 numbers, which would be 8 Account holders, plus 2 days and a threshold of 5. 2:93:53 Noam, Perry, Marco join in conversation on number ratio, Fibonacci numbers 2/3.
2:05:12 Jorge and Marco on threshold of respect to be on owners msig, willingness to attend and reachability
2:08:14 Conversation continues with respect numbers, eligibility for owner msig, creating on-chain documentation for a chain in owners permissions and more
2:14:40 Jorge shares screen on Eden fractal token distribution, respect status on chart and details ideas
2:17:35 Group discussion on proposal details to consider such as subjectivity, consistency in participation and respect levels, how to choose highest contributors, timeframes for next proposal
2:22:15 Dan shares spreadsheet that was used for anniversary on Cignals, highest rankings are visible there. Explains how to obtain most current rankings. He’ll have current spreadsheet prepared for next weeks meeting.
2:26:05 Perry asks whether Vlads software can change owner permission, Dan responds with his understanding of Vlads software.
2:28:29 Jorge and Dan conversation on spreadsheet and proposal. Appreciates any help, Rosmari commented she can set proposal. Perry and Noam volunteer to help.
2:30:34 Noam comments on threshold, 2 day ability to vote no
2:31:39 Dan replies it’s possible with other permissions, shows screen and gives example. Explains Custom permission, active permission and owner permission. Dan notes that this is just permission for Eden fractal account. There’s always ability to fork. Dan starts wrapping it up, hats on— Go Eden Fractal!!!
Previous MSIG discussions
You can find details on past msig focused Eden Fractal episodes at EdenCreators.com/msig
What is best way to connect a digital community? We fuse the new Eden Fractal Topics game with an open source video conferencing tool to trailblaze global coordination 🧑🏽💻⚡️🌎
How can communities optimize meetings? We pioneer a fractal Cagendas game with topic databases for real time coordination! 🌺 🦒
What are the best ways to nourish communities? We explore four ways to fund fractals and help community members, including a novel concept to start a new kind of garden 🌱
Music by Kjartan Abel. More details at EdenCreators.com/attributions