EF 65: Crafting Keys
How can a community securely express consensus? Our band of heroes discusses account permissions to create an abundant realm for growing digital public goods 🪴 🧑🏽🌾
Date: August 30th, 2023
Table of Contents
- Updating the Community Account
- Dan’s MSIG Configuration Proposal
- Tadas’s MSIG Configuration Proposal
- Telegram Pre-meeting Group Discussions
- Episode Discussions
- Respect Game Recap
- Related Posts
- Previous MSIG discussions
- EF 64: Changing Community Keys
- EF 63: Talking Topics and Jitsi!
- EF 62: New Topics Game!
Please Note: These show notes are a work in progress and will be updated in the future. Enjoy!
Updating the Community Account
Hey all! In this episode the group talks about community keys, permissions and configuration for the eden.fractal msig account. MSIGs, or multi-signatory arrangements, are a profoundly helpful tool that enable communities to flexibly share permissions for actions on community computers (such as EOS or Ethereum). You can read about MSIGs in this article from Eden Creators, along with detailed notes and videos on all previous msig discussions.
Dan’s MSIG Configuration Proposal
One of the main topics which started the conversation during the meeting was Dan’s written proposal shared in the group prior to the meeting in these initial and secondary messages. The first message includes a link to easily see the average participants’ rank over the past 13 or 26 weeks in this spreadsheet. The second message is a first draft proposal containing a suggestion on MSIG configuration (screenshot below), which was widely discussed at the main event.
Tadas’s MSIG Configuration Proposal
As a first step, Tadas set up a poll a few days prior to the meting, asking people if they’d take the up the responsibility of being part of the owner permission. Following the polls’ responses he shared a proposal prior to the meeting in the group chat (screenshot below):
Telegram Pre-meeting Group Discussions
There were many thoughtful upfront discussions in the Telegram group about the number of people in the msig and Fibonacci ratio coming from Marco’s initial message, which was followed by Noam’s response, Marco’s, Dan’s response which also included a reference to the Schelling Point. Noam followed up to share more thoughts on the topic here and here.
Also discussions on how delay in the owner permission works were explored in the chat by Tadas and Noam starting with this message. In order to get full scope of the above conversations, click at ‘view in group’ to see the full messages and join the conversation! ✍🏼
In this highly collaborative episode, the main topics got introduced at 0:09 and then thoroughly discussed starting at 59:52 as Dan presented his proposal and Tadas’s proposal. Tadas touched on the Telegram poll where he asked who’d like to take the responsibility of being part of the owner permission at 1:07:04. Following that, the group commented on the roles of MSIG controllers, active permissions and more between 1:10:12 - 1:28:19.
As the discussion progressed, the team debated on the number of participants, the voting options, and the need for an additional poll. Dan expressed his concerns about the number of people on MSIG and favored a 5 of 8 configuration instead of 4 of 6, which can be heard at 1:28:19. Lisa, Duane, and Rosmari preferred not being on MSIG, while Perry also leaned more towards 5 of 8 and was happy to be on MSIG, as discussed at 1:42:00.
The community aimed to reach a resolution after thoughtfully debating on the numbers of people in the msig between 1:54:45-2:09:06. Eventually, they settled on the idea of a 4/7 configuration with a time delay for security at 2:17:56. The meeting ended on a light note, with the team having the usual hats party from 2:20:31 to 2:25:14. 🎩
Throughout the conversation, the team's dedication to finding the best MSIG configuration was evident, showcasing their commitment to effective collaboration and decision-making. This devotion proves to inspire the sprouting of new fractals, and shows players’ care to crafting up Eden Fractal’s processes. 💙
Respect Game Recap
During the call, interesting moments include Gudasol's discussion on Aquadac and his voting system at 9:04, Rosmari's work on show notes and optimism grants at 13:44, and Lisa's involvement in EF and Alien fractal at 17:18. Joe discussed attending Alien World and Aquadac, updates on Upland Fractal, whilst Dan shared his work on planning to build a team for optimism and more at 23:11. Additionally, Rosmari presented a Fractalgram live tutorial during the team’s voting process between 33:54-56:35.
0:09 Dan opens meeting. Shares presentation, recaps previous EF. Cagendas main topic updating community account permissions. Shows draft proposals.
4:14 Eric talks of upcoming open mic night, Joe will show how to make AI videos. Also talks of alien world governance budget.
6:54 breakout room
9:04 Gudasol running Aquadac, trying to be more active in EF. Experimenting on his own voting system, gives details.
13:44 Rosmari highlighting on show notes, edited EF videos, researching optimism grants with Dan
17:18 Lisa attending both EF and Alien fractal, thinking about eyeke fractal, preparing for planetary unconference
19:06 Joe attended alien world and aquadac, getting involved in unconference. Center for governance details. Following up on telegram chats, involved in Noam’s game. Upland community
23:11 Dan shares screen, mentions a show garden joy. Focusing on optimism gives details and opportunities. Trying to integrate with community. Collaborating with Vlad, Tadas and Rosmari. Planning on building a team for optimism. Participated in Eden telegram chats. Created jitsi notion project. Collaborating with vlad, mateas eden community. Msig configuration, hosted fractalien world, worked with Joe
31:35 Lisa reminds Dan that he is decision maker with social games budget
32:42 Joe commented if everyone knew how to do fractalgram
33:54 Rosmari shares screen on how to do fractalgram, explains how it works
38:33 Dan thanks Rosmari for quick tutorial
40:45 Rosmari comments on why she voted for Joe
42:23 Dan comments on his vote, discussions he’s had with Joe Voting level 6-Joe, level 5-Rosmari, level 4- Douglas, level 3-Dan , level 2-Lisa Delegate-Joe
56:35 Rosmari finishes fractal tutorial on screen
57:29 Return to main room
59:52 Dan shares screen for this weeks topic , updating msig. Shares message from EF chat on msig
1:07:04 Tadas comments on voting poll he made for msig, screen shared. Gives Details
1:10:12 Dan shares telegram screen
1:10:59 Noam expands on Tadas comment, smaller number makes sense
1:13:11 Perry issues how to construct and who to place, feels he’s not full educated on it. Confused why owner permission have delays. Noam jumps in to respond to Perry
1:18:39 Dan responds to Perry on asap msig change
1:20:39 Tadas tries to answer Perry’s question, msig control is executive branch and delegates are legislative branch. That’s a way to look at it, active permissions don’t make decision, they implement into action. Conversation continues between Perry, Noam, Tadas. Tadas explained the reasons for doing this promptly, dose t want to spend too much time on it.
1:26:11 Joe comments on legislative and executive ranch comment from Tadas. Feels that it doesn’t really work, understands difficulty getting to certain people. Speaks his thoughts
1:28:19 Dan responds to several things, agrees to keep it simple. Would like to come to quick decision. Eden creator msig info is up to date. Gives details on owner delay. His concern on amount of people, preference is 5 of 8 rather than 4 of 6. Talks of people that could be on msig. Helpful to limit scope
1:34:00 Tadas not sure if 5 out of 8 is better, gives his opinion. Dan responds not a big deal either way
1:36:06 Joe asks if we could Implement delegates have power to remove, Noam comments on increasing vulnerability
1:37:09 Dan explains how it’s currently working, delegates can voice opinions, then msig can change. Gives details, asks everyone who’s interested in being on msig.
1:42:00 Lisa, Duane, Rosmari prefers not being on msig. Perry gives his thoughts, leaning towards 5 of 8, happy to be on msig
1:46:56 Dan suggests possibly moving on topic, or try to come to consensus. Joe jumps in agrees to move on.
1:48:46 Noam suggests votes off line
1:48:56 Dan clarifies who can vote, details the proposal
1:51:41 Perry gives his thoughts, better to vote next week, Noam jumps in with his comment
1:54:45 Noam, Perry, Tadas conversation on 4/6 or 5/8. Formula for poll. Dan jumps in to advocate for 4/7 as Rosmari and Tadas suggested.
2:03:51 Dan , Perry , Tadas, Rosmari, and Noam continue comments on which numbers, time delay
2:09:06 Dan in support of delay, support of 5/7, in support of Perry.
2:13:07 Noam, Perry, Dan and Rosmari discuss making of poll
2:17:56 Dan jumps in explaining Tadas poll for who to be on msig which was approved from last week, trying to make this less difficult. Perry instead of Marco, go with 4/7, time delay, he’d be happy to vote for this next week. Perry jumps in to comment on process.
2:21:42 Dan starts to end meeting, hats on. Go Eden Fractal!
Previous MSIG discussions
You can find details on past msig focused Eden Fractal episodes at EdenCreators.com/msig
How can communities create order while increasing independence? We endeavor through the wild to determine the configuration and key holders for the eden.fractal msig account 🔐 🐵
What is best way to connect a digital community? We fuse the new Eden Fractal Topics game with an open source video conferencing tool to trailblaze global coordination 🧑🏽💻⚡️🌎
How can communities optimize meetings? We pioneer a fractal Cagendas game with topic databases for real time coordination! 🌺 🦒
Music by Kjartan Abel. More details at EdenCreators.com/attributions