EF 37: Participant Agreements and More!
After playing Eden+Fractal with talented newcomers, we dive into thoughtful discussions about requiring participant agreements and our next steps! 🪴
Date: February 15th, 2023
Please note that these show notes are a work in progress and will be updated soon.
- EF 37: Participant Agreements and More!
- EFBS 6: Delegate Proxies
- Telegram Live Chat
- Joshua Previews Endao
- Cagendas Topics
- Related Posts
- EF 36: Fractalgram, Cagendagram, and Proxies!
- Discussing Eden Fractal Stuff
- Eden Fractal Brainstorming Sessions
- EF Recap #30
- ETH 36: What is decentralized governance?
- EF 35: MSIG Updates and Fractalgram!
- Thanks for watching! Enjoy!
Dan published a new Eden Creators article and shared a presentation about participant agreements, then the community discussed ideas about agreements for most of this week’s cagendas game.
The general idea is to create a simple participant agreement to help set expectations clearly, protect the community from liabilities, and enable more effective cooperation. A proposal could be approved in the future to require that all participants must sign to participate in weekly consensus games. Dan shared a presentation about this article at 1:16:57 and the group discussed it in detail for about 40 minutes.
You can navigate the timestamps below to hear many inspiring thoughts from several community members. Pascal and Perry also included ideas about a participant agreement in their topic proposals. You can read the article here for many more details, including past work from the ƒractally and Eden communities, artwork, strategies, suggested terms, and software configurations.
EFBS 6: Delegate Proxies
Patrick hosted the sixth Eden Fractal Brainstorming Session, where six community leaders explored ideas about delegating proxies and alternate representatives when cooperating with Eden+Fractal. The group agreed to continue exploring this topic in the future and that one of the immediate takeaways is to encourage participants in Eden Fractal events to carefully ask delegate candidates questions to see if they qualify for the role.
You can watch the full brainstorming session and navigate timestamps here, see a follow up post from Patrick here, and see Dan summarize this at the beginning of the meeting. You can also help promote the session by engaging with the swarmed tweet and read this article to learn more about brainstorming sessions.
Telegram Live Chat
During last week’s meeting, Dan shared an article and presentation about using Telegram live chat during meetings instead of the Zoom chat. You can read the article here and watch Dan share the presentation at 1:55:32 in last week’s meeting to see the benefits of cooperating with the telegram live chat.
This week, Dan created the new topic in telegram and the community cooperated with telegram live chat during the weekly meeting for the first time. Overall it worked quite well and you can see the live chat, though most messages were also shared in the zoom chat throughout the meeting. You can join our telegram group and see the live chat topic here.
Joshua Previews Endao
which was previously the gofractally the site , started alongside Genesis Fractal
hub for communities cooperating with fractal consensus games
plans to raise a million dollars
collaborations with hypha dao and various communities cooperating with eden fractal consensus games, alien worlds fractal, aquadac, art fractal, spanish speaking fractal, eden on eos,
Joshua joined an Eden Fractal meeting since the first meeting in June 2022. As a brief summary for anyone who isn’t familiar, Joshua played a pivotal role in the creation of Eden Fractal in the first two quarters of last year by hosting Moving Eden Forward events which eventually evolved into Eden Fractal meetings, hosting the first meeting, and pioneering many of our cooperative processes with his leadership in the Genesis Fractal.
Now Joshua is an Eden on EOS Chief Delegate and is designing Endao to empower an ecosystem of decentralized, autonomous organizations with EOS. You can watch Joshua speak about his recent work, share a presentation about Endao, and explain how he plans to unite Eden communities around the world at 17:37.
0:10 Dan welcomes everyone, shares screen provides recap of previous Eden fractal, providing show notes to quickly summarize each fractal meeting. Shares link to Eden fractal telegram , posts why this can be helpful. Upcoming Proposal topics. Fractalgram app start using, very helpful.
7:35 Starts breakout Rooms
10:19 Noam introduces himself
12:07 CAC asks about eos bees bot
13:28 Noam explains he’s been looking for a fractal community, refers to more equal animals white paper
17:37 Joshua introduces himself, shares screen working on a concept , shows structure of EOS, feels eos net work dao is missing. Opportunities multi language in DAO. Trying to get all four communities to work together. Noam asks Josh about a Hebrew DAO, Josh answers best procedure. Josh is working to facilitate of DAO of DAOs.
23:28 Rosmari comments she’s working on welcome guide, her background is marketing. Collaborating with Dan on the welcome guide to help newcomers have a better understanding of Eden fractal as well as eos. Sessions with Dan are recorded. Shares screen, explains process and intentions to help make it useful for new users. Goes through each section and defines plan.
35:19 Noam asks how to join chat, Dan answers contact goes through telegram chat
36:42 Perry continues effort to fortify security at DNews, had recent attack affecting the website for an hour or so, past weeks modifying security. Participating in EF, fireside chat, Eden town hall
39:02 Dan shares presentation, just started group for fractalgram on telegram. Asks everyone to click link to easily submit votes on telegram. Explained updates on videos, adding show notes, feature article on telegram chat, curated delegates proxy proposal, followed up with telegram live chat. Curated with Lisa’s work, joined the call and shared Eden fractal collaborations. Fireside chat shared updates on EF, Eden town hall updates websites , recording with Vlad, recording with Rosmari, art fractal presentation. Proposal for Eden fractal agreements.
45:55 CAC participated in fireside chat, working on a project where individuals can interface with each other. Working on educational contact.
46:52 Dan suggests starting reaching consensus. Dan explains telegram procedure to initiate votes, reply to enter. Goes through accessing second account for Noam using dogman account , Dan also made eos account for Noam. Voting taking place
1:02:09 Dan explains Delegate consensus process to proceed with delegate vote. Perry gets voted delegate, wraps up breakout room
1:05:10 CAC asks when respect from last will be executed, Dan responds to cac and will make sure it’s executed later today. Multisig as well
1:06:10 Return to community room. Dan welcomes everyone back to community room.
1:07:27 Lennie comments they almost failed in his room to have consensus because zoom was terrible. Need to study up on telegram consensus to majesty sure everyone is using.
1:07:54 Dan asks Lennie whether they used fractalgram. Lennie responds. Encourages everyone to go into telegram group.
1:09:04 Noam responds to Dan asking how his first meeting went, he’s learning a lot, still has more to learn
1:09:10 Laura also responds to Dan, as newcomer also learning a lot
1:09:29 Dan thanks newcomers for thoughts, tells them to feel free to reach out with questions. Dan shares links , link to Eden fractal telegram chat, encourages everyone e to join. Vlad just posted proposal in live chat feature in telegram. Three topics on agenda for today. Dan gives direction on process. Shares screen, shows overview on current topics on consortium. Top topic Eden fractal participant agreement. Second topic is pascal topic eden fractal governance
1:13:37 Pascal briefly introduces his proposal for delegates to work for Eden fractal governance. , mission and token liquidity
1:15:22 Dan thanks pascal, comments last topic would be capture and production proposed by Perry, Dan briefly gives overview of Perry’s proposal. Perry chimes in how his works with last section of Pascal’s proposal.
1:16:57 Dan presents ideas for the Eden Fractal Participant Agreement. Agreement to start with simple terms, then gradually can add more as community grows. Shares screen of EdenCreators.com/agreement screen with detailed explanation on participation agreement. Page provides overview , thanks fractally team for ideas, tools for agreements, original genesis agreement. Terms suggested everyone who joins Eden needs to sign then it goes on chain, recommends to start using, simple approach to start, everyone agrees to recorded videos, everyone agrees to English, everyone understands timing. Potentially using trust. Goal to limit liabilities. Reminds everyone of sociocratic guidelines
1:23:10 Perry comments on Dan’s suggested concept and clarifies. Awesome idea, needs some kind of written agreement.
1:24:21 Vlad asks Dan to clarify from what liabilities do you see for community
1:24:41 Dan responds to Vlad, could be a lot. Laws changing possibly causing liability. Specific example is videos, consent waiver is usually required. Secondly, because there is financial reward and consensus might be done incorrectly, or offenses taken without agreement. Not a big deal now but as community grows best to plan for it now protecting from potential harm.
1:27:35 Vlad responds if someone would sue someone, who would they sue, and how would they do it
1:28:13 Dan responds to Vlad it could be a lawsuit against individuals or as a whole. Gives example of possibilities that could happen, especially as we grow. Explains why genesis fractal is no longer working and lawsuits involved. Comments on SEC
1:31:14 Vlad makes quick remark, if agreement is not enforceable than maybe he would claim it as rules or code of conduct
1:31:41 Dan commented that having agreement on chain just makes it clearer, having agreement on blockchain may not be enforceable but it shows agreement was made in immutable fashion on the blockchain
1:32:52 Perry appreciates what Vlad said, thinks most important is to prevent damage, need to be transparent as possible. Gives worse case scenario, this can reduce the amount of damage
1:34:44 Tadas remembers original fractal contract agreement and asks Dan to clarify
1:36:00 Dan’s thinking was to post fractally initial agreement, but his proposal starts small and add additional factors to protect as we grow. We have a need for more clauses as well.
1:37:11 Noam shared simple impressions, ie eos and block one. Propagated in lawsuits. Thinks it’s important not just protecting to our community, but the arrow th of other communities. Quotes Dan Larimer, agreements are needed and is a good first step. Gives his opinion on signing longer contracts
1:40:47 Dan adds briefly thinks it’s a responsibility for current members and future members of all communities
1:41:23 Patrick has alignment with Noam’s doubt, more pages to read, to complex. We are not fractally, we are not EOS, we are Eden fractal. Need to to for our own. MSIG change can help protect us from liability. Comments on delegates term. Working with smart contract, before agreement it’s better to use guideline. Document of guidelines and what each process is doing before thinking about UNA, think first about what your doing, then do agreements .
1:48:10 Dan thanks Patrick’s, agrees that it is Important to clarify guidelines. Thinks agreement is a helpful component, once again it’s not a proposal at this point. Encourages everyone to share conversation on telegram chat. Dan Reads out messages sent in chats. Suggests moving on to next topic, passes on to Pascal
1:50:19 Pascal shares screen on proposal for delegates to work on Eden fractal governance. Pushing Eden fractal governance as defined in white paper, delegate incentives, mission fractal. Explains this is where we come from. Eden token utility. Feels it valuable
1:57:07 Tadas asks Pascal for clarification on Pascal’s comment where we came from.
1:57:41 Pascal it’s the alignment with more equal animals, but independent. Eden fractal is independent and individuals. Based on value of fractal governance.
2:02:18 Perry comments that he doesn’t understand every word Pascal is saying , apologizes. Asks Pascal if he generally for or against intent as code of law. Or gravitating more towards code of law. Are you minimizing importance our values , our mission.
2:02:10 Pascal he’s for removing the technology, if community believes in fractal governance, take time to to state our mission,
2:03:56 Dan jumps in to remind everyone to respect hand raising, informs everyone we’re at top of the hour, asks Perry to Re propose topic as time is running out for meeting. Says he’ll continue recording fir additional 1/2 hour.
2:05:05 Patrick , thanks Dan for his proposal. Thanks Pascal for his proposal, happy with the proposals. Posted into telegram chat whyology, protect our community, do things bottom up. Begin with processes. Still have time to brainstorm. Encourages everyone to join. Eden fractal becoming its own brain, to foster the best collaboration, that’s one mission, to be a good model.
2:10:14 Dan agrees with Patrick. Mentions wrangler Joe, welcomes him. Dan shared more equal animals audio book. Helpful wisdom in there.
2:12:03 Perry commented he recognized in his mind on Pascal believes in articulating Eden fractals mission. Comments whether we are following more equal animals. Important to find values and principles, then mission statement. Thinks that is the order we need to go.
2:14:11 Dan cautions against focusing on any one individual , also encourages reading more equal animals, but that’s not the only source of wisdom. Patrick values Collaboration a lot as do I, thinking about mission, putting into practice guidelines from more equal animals.
2:15:40 Patrick answers to Perry, he is not here to have any influence on anyone. Explains his love for Eden fractal. Looking for best experience possible, that’s what links us together. Encourages level one delegates to give to msig, let’s move on with mission.
2:21:13 Dan jumps in between Perry and patrick, giving time for Jorge to speak
2:21:31 Jorge comments on the pure heart of Patrick, comments on brain of Perry. Let’s get the most value from both sides, let’s keep our community strong
2:22:06 Dan thanks Jorge, very well said. Tells Perry he appreciates thoughtful questions, but he has noticed a bit of a theme of calling out Patrick for past few weeks. We do t want to make people feel uncomfortable, feeling the tension between two community leaders. Wants everyone to use the best of their abilities. Challenge could discourage people when misaligned.
2:24:33 Perry responds that Patrick started it by stating he didn’t trust Perry. Gives his take on what’s happening
2:25:35 Tadas explains to Perry , Patrick’s donation is not directing where or what his funds are being used
2:26:20 Perry asks why is Patrick getting links, on your software
2:26:23 Patrick didn’t like when Perry presented dnews eden fractal proposal. Perry commented against Jesse jaffe, against bywire. That bothered Patrick. Issues between Patrick and Perry. Patrick gives eos because he collaborates with those he gives to. Has the right to collaborate with who he wants. Tells Perry let’s just work together, Patrick is grateful and lucky to be on Eden fractal.
2:32:25 Dan thanks Patrick, adds on to make it clear to Perry that he’s alone in his belief. All tools made are owned by individuals. Suggests Perry read the messages that were sent to Perry by Vlad and Tadas about distinction on how these tools work. Dan thinks Perry is in the wrong, loves the value Perry brings to the community but it’s time to shift direction. Doesn’t think anyone is in agreement with Perry.
2:35:08 Perry thinks there are nuances that need to be debated, goes to core of why we are here. Doesn’t think even Dan can represent the whole group
2:36:58 Dan thinks his previous recommendation is best, this is not the best forum. Mission is in progress, takes time to come to consensus
2:37:51 Jorge shares his personal thoughts on the purest form of energy, wants to encourage entire community to focus on the thing we wish, or the things we want. Please guys focus energy on where we want to go
2:41:08 Dan thanks Jorge
2:41:16 Tadas says imagine what we can achieve as a group. Eden fractal principles need to be clear.comments when Perry criticizes too much , he’s going to conclusions to fast, thinking it’s corrupt.
2:42:52 Perry responds to Jorge and Vlad , responds by giving a little child hood history. Learned about power to keep positive. But at same time balances that with how to change things. Need to bring awareness. Comments that Patrick cannot decide how funding is used.
2:47:15 Dan: we’ve been going over 3 hours, need to wrap it up soon. One thing Dan wants to make clear that Perry has a fundamental misunderstanding, Patrick has donated approximately 4000 to eden fractal account, Dan also donated 500 EOS. That is to the Eden fractal community, that has been determined each week by who gets results in fractal process. Patrick has made individual donations to Vlad and Tadas that are not to Eden fractal. Anyone can make individual donations without Eden fractal consent.. explains process, this is what Perry is not seeing this. Last point , offers to host a conversation with Perry to figure out differences. Encourages everyone to join to clear this up. Encourages Perry to make a proposal for this topic. Perry if you want follow up telegram chat.
2:52:40 Perry comments on money coming in, using tools that beeping created, while we are supposedly in decentralized governance. All happening without our approval
2:54:45 Patrick comments Perry is evil, tired of repetitive narrative. Explains his feelings of what Perry is doing. Suggest if Perry has something to say to Patrick, seek him privately. Don’t corrupt Eden fractal , accuses Perry of doing this to multiple communities. Patrick accuses Perry of not understanding Eden fractal. Read first before you judge. We are here to collaborate. Come here with good spirit
3:03:21 Dan comments we’re at top of the hour. Adds there is a misunderstanding, miscommunication. Thinks both Patrick and Perry want the best for the community . Need to communicate better. Encourage everyone to listen to Video. Encourages everyone to make proposal for future meetings.
3:06:24 Noam agrees with what Jorge said, some things he didn’t like about last hour but he’d rather focus on positive and not negative
3:06:58 Patrick comments he’s happy to be here, all discussion is good.
3:07:23 Dan says we’re working a d growing smarter every day, thanks Noam fir attending.
3:07:57 Perry just wants to ask Noam if he was entertained.
3:09:04 Noam responded since asked the discussion between Perry and Patrick Would have been better if taken off line. If you say it too many times, it stops being entertaining.
3:10:42 Dan thanks everyone. We should give each other the benefit of the doubt.
Then we close the great meeting, see you next week!
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